From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs development... Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 01:19:10 +0900 Message-ID: <8C6F7768-BC89-40F4-9B69-CB16F919954E@traduction-libre.org> References: <56B1C272-CB13-4793-930C-9F6B96F9856B@traduction-libre.org> <83r1enz453.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7fjuuva.fsf@gnu.org> <351DF59E-BFE0-4CC2-8A40-B4E7CB73D81E@traduction-libre.org> <2281ccca2d439b935535197d931c1ccf41b0f86f.camel@yandex.ru> <3AA2DD3C-EDEC-4180-9180-AE84D6705BE8@traduction-libre.org> <87fsv26eu1.fsf@gmail.com> <5587433C-396F-4230-A81D-21CC33FAF901@traduction-libre.org> <87bl5q5n8b.fsf@gmail.com> <87tuji41l5.fsf@gmail.com> <87pmu550cv.fsf@gmail.com> <87r1ellb42.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29580"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Tim Cross , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Arthur Miller , "T.V Raman" To: Eric Abrahamsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 22 18:20:27 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mHqCw-0007XG-SR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 18:20:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40754 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mHqCv-0007Tf-Ky for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 12:20:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37716) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mHqBx-0006la-JO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 12:19:25 -0400 Original-Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:42747) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mHqBu-0005rC-Q1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 12:19:25 -0400 Original-Received: (Authenticated sender: lists@traduction-libre.org) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BA1B4240005; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 16:19:15 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87r1ellb42.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.193; envelope-from=lists@traduction-libre.org; helo=relay1-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272841 Archived-At: > On Aug 23, 2021, at 1:04, Eric Abrahamsen = wrote: >=20 > "T.V Raman" writes: >=20 >> Tim Cross writes: >>=20 >>=20 >> In addition to all you say below re IELM, the nugget of gold that = makes >> it invaluable is its ability to set the eval context buffer while >> remaining in the ielm buffer, see command bound to C-c b. >=20 > Hey, that's great! I'd also been on the fence about the value of IELM > over the plain old *scratch* buffer, and that's a real advantage. >=20 > To muddy the waters further, there's also the "emacs inspector"[1] = which > provides another way of looking at objects and symbols. It doesn't = help > with the original query about watching values change during execution, > though. But that makes me think that, I could possibly load package.el in ielm = and run it from there, couldn't I ? And I'd have all the values right at = hand, not quite like edebug I guess, but I could actually check their = value inside ielm, right ? > [1]: https://github.com/mmontone/emacs-inspector --=20 Jean-Christophe Helary @brandelune https://mac4translators.blogspot.com https://sr.ht/~brandelune/omegat-as-a-book/