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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249528 Archived-At: > On May 9, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> From: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora >> Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 18:36:53 +0100 >> Cc: Dmitry Gutov , Stefan Monnier = ,=20 >> emacs-devel >>=20 >> OK, sounds reasonable. In that case I put it to you that the best >> way to make it happen is to import eglot.el into the core, help me >> convince the maintainers of the major modes to add a few lines >> to their code, and enhance eglot.el to automatically download >> server programs. >>=20 >> We _can_ do this without importing eglot.el into the core, by >> adding to hooks and having and/or having a few defvars and >> maybe cl-defgeneric. But adding it to the core is a simpler >> way, IMO. eglot.el is a single file library, by the way. >=20 > You are probably right. But Eglot is in ELPA for some time, and I > don't yet see a campaign to bring it into core; I do see some opinions > to the contrary. So I think it will be much easier to convince more > people if we had this working. I cannot be sure, of course, and you > will do the work, so it is still your call. >=20 > Or maybe we will have a flood of messages tomorrow saying they'd like > to have Eglot in core ;-) >=20 What advantage would splitting and =E2=80=9Cdiluting=E2=80=9D eglot into = Emacs give tho? I think eglot works pretty well already, one just = installs eglot and a server and everything works. Yuan