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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294072 Archived-At: > Meh. C-with-macros as used all over Emacs is complex as well, and also > requires learning. +1 > Iʼm neither a C++ fanboy nor an expert in "modern" > C++, but if it can be used to reduce complexity Iʼm all for it. GDB > seems to have had some success with it. I'm also far fromt a fanboy. I think I see this from a practical standpoint and I agree fully with GCC and GDB folks. To quote a slide from Ian Lance Taylor (Write gcc in C++, 2008) - C++ is a standardized, well known, popular language. - C++ is nearly a superset of C90 used in gcc. - The C subset of C++ is just as efficient as C. - C++ supports cleaner code in several significant cases. - C++ makes it easier to write cleaner interfaces by making it harder to break interface boundaries. - C++ never requires uglier code. - C++ is not a panacea but it is an improvement. Take a look at xdisp.c, and imagine what that will look like in another 20 years if nothing happens.