From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Schroeder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: German tutorial fix Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 01:45:37 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87znyql97i.fsf@emacswiki.org> References: <87y9emho8s.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> <200205160722.g4G7M8X18181@aztec.santafe.edu> <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200205171928.g4HJSdw20390@aztec.santafe.edu> <87znyywagx.fsf@pot.cnuce.cnr.it> <87adqyz047.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <200205190530.g4J5UNa22924@aztec.santafe.edu> <87n0uwuwkc.fsf@emacswiki.org> <87offctgcb.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87elg8upk7.fsf@emacswiki.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1022197309 25155 127.0.0.1 (23 May 2002 23:41:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 23:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17B2DN-0006Xc-00 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 01:41:49 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17B2Sz-0000e3-00 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 01:57:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17B2Do-0004L2-00; Thu, 23 May 2002 19:42:16 -0400 Original-Received: from relay02.cablecom.net ([62.2.33.102]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17B2Ci-0004F6-00 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 19:41:08 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.swissonline.ch (mail-4.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.85]) by relay02.cablecom.net (8.11.6/8.11.4/SOL/AWF/MXRELAY/06072001) with ESMTP id g4NNg6W29524; Fri, 24 May 2002 01:42:07 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from confusibombus (dclient217-162-232-115.hispeed.ch [217.162.232.115]) by smtp.swissonline.ch (8.11.6/8.11.6/SMTPSOL/AWF/2002040101) with ESMTP id g4NNexE29348; Fri, 24 May 2002 01:41:00 +0200 (MEST) Original-Received: from alex by confusibombus with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17B2H4-0000MS-00; Fri, 24 May 2002 01:45:38 +0200 Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com In-Reply-To: ("Robert J. Chassell"'s message of "Thu, 23 May 2002 19:45:05 +0000 (UTC)") Original-Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4314 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4314 "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > I do not find it easily observable. I bet it also depends on keyboard > layout and customizations outside of Emacs. > > Do please tell me your keyboard and customizations. I use a German Ergo Elan from Kinesis. > I just tried Miles' experiment on a QWERTY keyboard... Well, I just read a book on interface by a self-proclaimed specialist. I think his ideas are good. You can read it yourself. He discusses pros and cons, limitations and all. I have no intention to repeat it all here. I am also tired of the discussion because I do not want to *prove* my point, I just want to raise some *doubt* concerning Miles' and Richards' point. It seems that I am not succeeding, and really, I do not care too much anymore. Alex. -- http://www.electronicintifada.net/diaries/index.html http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/hr2506c.html