From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jay Belanger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key-binding clash between gnus and calc Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:40:28 -0600 Message-ID: <87zmnwmhlv.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> References: <85acg5u9nl.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87lkzo1s34.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87r79fuf4z.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87u0e7i3us.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87fyppi8cl.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87mzjxdk66.fsf@jurta.org> <85iruk4qnf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87br0co9ym.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> Reply-To: belanger@truman.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1132699433 15048 80.91.229.2 (22 Nov 2005 22:43:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: belanger@truman.edu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 22 23:43:49 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EegpH-0003Mm-UN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:41:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EegpH-0006D1-EW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:41:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EegoT-0005zN-CL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:40:33 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EegoR-0005z1-L5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:40:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EegoR-0005yx-D6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:40:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [24.116.0.230] (helo=S4.cableone.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EegoR-0004Iq-8y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:40:31 -0500 Original-Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (unverified [24.117.225.205]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 37678678 for multiple; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:59:50 -0700 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:41:02 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 89, in=33, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.117.225.205 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:46457 Archived-At: Andreas Schwab writes: ... >> My best thought right now is `C-xC-,' > > Except that C-, is not available on a tty. You might have thought that I would have bright enough to check for that, especially since it came up before. You would have been wrong. "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > It would be easier to start Emacs Calc mode with `M-+ M-+' than `C-x > C-, C-,' but `C-x C-, g' is easier to type on my keyboard than `M-+ g' But M-+ has been pretty much turned down. Since we pretty much need a two key prefix, one starting with C-x seems the way to go. I'm pretty sure C-x or even C-x C- would be turned down, so that leaves C-x or C-x C-. For C-x , = `!', `%', `&', `*', `_', `~', `|', `\', `"', `:' or `,' might work, and some of them might be accessible without the shift key on most keyboards. But without the extra control key, I'm not sure they're "out of the way" enough to get the green light. For C-x C-, =`\' or `]' might work. Both characters are accessible on my keyboard without the shift key, but I don't think that's the case for all keyboards. So there is no perfect key sequence; are there any thoughts on which would be least annoying? Jay