From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Romain Francoise Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: gpg-agent support removed?! Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:14:10 +0200 Organization: orebokech dot com Message-ID: <87zmixfur1.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com> References: <2cd46e7f0510031250u66ea1349yb437d539ce4027ef@mail.gmail.com> <87pskfq361.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> <877j6mg2af.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1144412074 2647 80.91.229.2 (7 Apr 2006 12:14:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Daiki Ueno , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Reiner Steib , ding@gnus.org, Simon Josefsson Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 07 14:14:32 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRprA-0003zS-QK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:14:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRprA-0003wb-7e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:14:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FRpqx-0003wQ-BE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:14:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FRpqu-0003w5-Re for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:14:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRpqu-0003w2-K3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:14:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [82.67.41.165] (helo=yeast.orebokech.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRpur-0006YE-Ve for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:18:18 -0400 Original-Received: from pacem.orebokech.com (pacem.orebokech.com [192.168.1.3]) by yeast.orebokech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3C412CD8; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:14:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by pacem.orebokech.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E02F3523D8; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:14:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Sascha Wilde X-Face: }9mYu,e_@+e!`Z-P5kVXa3\_b:hdJ"B)ww[&=b<2=awG:GOIM (Sascha Wilde's message of "Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:32:36 +0200") X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:52493 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:62576 Archived-At: Sascha Wilde writes: > And why was it done without any discussion or even informing the > people involved?!? Since PGG is historically a Gnus package, it was discussed on the ding mailing-list, which you obviously don't read... :-) The relevant sub-thread starts here: The reasons why this was done are: 1) The new code has bugs and is a major rewrite from previous versions; it isn't yet very stable, at least not enough for a stable Gnus release. 2) A new Gnus v5.10 release is due out this week-end, so there wasn't enough time to fix the bugs in the new code, hence the decision to revert it in Gnus 5.10. Since Emacs 22 is supposed to have Gnus 5.10, I reverted the changes in Emacs CVS in order to keep the upcoming Gnus release and Emacs in sync. 3) The changes broke allout.el's encryption features, and require a transition to ensure that allout and PGG can work correctly together without breakage. 4) We're trying to get Emacs to a releasable state, and introducing new features right now might not be the best idea, depending on how seriously you take the feature freeze. At the moment, the plan is to let the new code mature in the Gnus trunk (not the Emacs trunk), and then sync it back in Gnus' v5-10 branch and the Emacs trunk once things have settled down. I realize that part of the problem is that PGG is maintained as a Gnus package in Gnus, and as a general-purpose package in Emacs... Hoping this clarifies the situation, -- Romain Francoise | The sea! the sea! the open it's a miracle -- http://orebokech.com/ | sea! The blue, the fresh, the | ever free! --Bryan W. Procter