From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: mode-line with Tramp Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:04:06 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87zm1po90p.fsf@jurta.org> References: <18065.63231.612402.142669@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <18066.59645.564793.472461@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87k5t88258.fsf@gmx.de> <18068.35413.238789.960586@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <878x9m6825.fsf@gmx.de> <18069.23173.327298.566469@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <18070.44458.968610.559681@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87myxyhvku.fsf@gmx.de> <18075.64647.459220.644967@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <18077.53954.67784.465789@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <18079.62390.365307.553494@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185046307 25594 80.91.229.12 (21 Jul 2007 19:31:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nick Roberts Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 21 21:31:46 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ICKg5-0008Pb-E5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:31:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICKg4-0004vE-KJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:31:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ICKfs-0004sn-4R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:31:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ICKfp-0004sb-JN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:31:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICKfp-0004sY-Ha for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:31:29 -0400 Original-Received: from relay01.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.200]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ICKfo-000743-AE; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:31:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay01.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ICKfk-0007E5-F2; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:31:25 +0300 In-Reply-To: <18079.62390.365307.553494@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> (Nick Roberts's message of "Fri\, 20 Jul 2007 11\:28\:54 +1200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Scanner-Signature: 7b1a4900bea4ee3727a65c989d5962bc X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 1263 [July 20 2007] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 0 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:75260 Archived-At: > Like Juri, I think the reality is that very few will test it. This might > not be the best solution but something needs to be done. Committing such > changes to the trunk ensures that they _are_ tested and if people don't > like them they generally report to the mailing list, e.g., "scratch buffer > annoyances". I try out very few changes that aren't committed to the > repository but often comment on those that are. I think many others on this > list do the same. I rarely try out not installed changed too, but now I tried out your patch and generally I like it. First I want to note that adding R for Remote doesn't make the mode line more confusing than it can be already in some extreme cases. For instance, after renaming the current frame to "R" and using the KOI8-R language environment (with "R" indication in three slots) we get: -RRR:%%--R When the directory is remote then we get: -RRR:%%R-R Maybe it would be better to use "@" instead of "R" to indicate the remote directory? -RRR:%%@-R "@" is less likely as the frame name, and "@" has good mnemonic as a symbol often used in addresses of remote directories. Also another question: is it possible not to show useless placeholder "-" when the directory is not remote? -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/