From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bill Wohler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:59:09 -0700 Organization: Newt Software Message-ID: <87zlzisnuq.fsf@olgas.newt.com> References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20070912093913.GB12104@saeurebad.de> <87wsuum8qw.fsf@jurta.org> <85abrn9ini.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85d4wh3kf9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <851wcw1qht.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190214283 1840 80.91.229.12 (19 Sep 2007 15:04:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:04:43 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 19 17:04:37 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IY160-0004yK-Nm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:04:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IY15x-0000Om-F6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:04:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IY15u-0000Of-Sg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IY15s-0000OG-PT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IY15s-0000OD-LH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:04:00 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IY15r-0005sr-RR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:04:00 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IY140-0001qj-Af for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:02:04 +0200 Original-Received: from h-68-164-81-181.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([68.164.81.181]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:02:04 +0200 Original-Received: from wohler by h-68-164-81-181.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:02:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: h-68-164-81-181.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:94e3wjkBipfJx+RzCzci/44s8MA= X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79316 Archived-At: Following on Lars example, *any* command which uses EDITOR or VISUAL or DISPLAY will run "emacs ". Or, consider running "emacs file -f do-something-with-current-buffer". The do-something-with-current-buffer function would rather operate on `file' than the splash screen. Richard Stallman writes: > I won't give in to bullying, so you may as well stop it. Perhaps you can suggest how we can persuade you. Sheer numbers and overwhelming counter-examples do not seem to be enough: Only two people on this list do not think that "emacs " is as legitimate as "emacs" in the first place, which is the root of the problem. A splash screen that occludes the work that a beginner wants to do will only confuse them, annoy long-time Emacs users, and break things as noted above. A separate frame or tooltip (with a Don't show me this again checkbox or other clear way to stop it) or a line or two in the minibuffer in a tty or not at all with the -nw option would be fine alternatives. -- Bill Wohler http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD