From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion: Let the help command load autoloaded functions etc Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:36:05 +0100 Message-ID: <87zlw3qane.fsf@ambire.localdomain> References: <47696238.6050601@gmail.com> <476B7BA6.80903@gmail.com> <476B990A.80602@gnu.org> <476BE7C7.2020005@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1198319910 32312 80.91.229.12 (22 Dec 2007 10:38:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:38:30 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 22 11:38:43 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J61ke-0003cD-Kw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:38:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J61kK-00024U-Ms for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:38:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J61kE-00021s-Qf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:38:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J61kC-0001zK-T3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:38:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J61kC-0001z1-I4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:38:12 -0500 Original-Received: from ppp-238-33.21-151.libero.it ([151.21.33.238] helo=ambire.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J61kC-00022M-95 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:38:12 -0500 Original-Received: from ttn by ambire.localdomain with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1J61i9-0002EE-Ga for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:36:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:30:15 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85369 Archived-At: () Richard Stallman () Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:30:15 -0500 That would be an ok feature, since it would not do anything automatically. i don't think it would be always ok. for example, consider a set of interdependent libraries misbehaving when components are loaded in the wrong order. the result is curiosity- but not necessarily user-induced bug reports. i would hate to have this conversation: user : i clicked on "foo link" and emacs barfed: FOO-ERROR. programmer: well don't do that. u: well, why is that link displayed? p: because we don't handle "improper load sequence". u: what is the "proper load sequence"? p: advertized entry point is M-x bar RET. u: what does that have to do w/ foo? p: nothing. u: ??? in other words, i personally am disinclined to support this kind of fuzziness (entering the subroutine from the side). thi