From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: Ding Mailing List <ding@gnus.org>
Subject: Gnus encouragement of GMail (was: Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus))
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:28:41 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zl4sb2zq.fsf_-___26310.5282596827$1262738219$gmane$org@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: jwv7hrwl55y.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org
On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:43:33 -0500 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
> Ted Z wrote:
>> GMail should have a specific setup path since it's so popular.
SM> I definitely do not want Emacs to encourage the use of GMail over
SM> any other service.
Well, users are constantly pointed to the relevant EmacsWiki page for
GMail support in Gnus. The settings required are not intuitive. So we
either accept the support burden and frustrated users, or we give them
the sensible settings as I suggested, or we point them to the
EmacsWiki.
I don't think the second and third options encourage GMail use in
particular. They are just tweaks for those who use GMail IMAP. GMail
is the only major IMAP provider to require well-known tweaks; when
others arise we'll handle them.
Similarly, there's code in Gnus to address Exchange IMAP issues; does
that encourage Exchange use? I don't think so. IMHO it actually
broadens the appeal of free software to support Exchange IMAP better.
I guess a fourth option is to write gnus-gmail.el, host it externally,
and make it clear that it's not endorsed by the FSF. But that's no
better--how will the users know they need gnus-gmail.el? I'd rather
include the support and make it clear it's not an endorsement.
Ted
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Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-26 2:55 Autoload from a web page? Lennart Borgman
2009-12-27 3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-27 3:24 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-28 18:48 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-28 18:55 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-29 1:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-29 1:39 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-29 2:45 ` joakim
2009-12-29 2:54 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-29 4:52 ` Tom Tromey
2009-12-29 22:25 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-30 6:13 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-30 18:06 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2009-12-30 18:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-30 19:10 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-01 0:40 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-01 19:27 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-01 19:26 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-04 18:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 15:11 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 18:46 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-29 21:14 ` unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo (was: Autoload from a web page?) Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 21:21 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-12-29 21:38 ` unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 21:36 ` Tom Tromey
2009-12-30 16:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-31 5:32 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-01 19:18 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-03 5:38 ` Integrating package.el (was Re: unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo) Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-04 17:55 ` Integrating package.el Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-04 19:51 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-05 5:02 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-05 5:37 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-05 15:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 16:03 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 16:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 20:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 23:50 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-06 20:45 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-06 21:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-09 5:40 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-09 14:32 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-09 17:47 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-10 10:41 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-10 11:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-10 14:04 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-10 16:00 ` joakim
2010-01-10 20:43 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-10 20:07 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-10 21:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-10 23:02 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-11 3:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-14 3:12 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-19 11:40 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-19 17:17 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-02-22 19:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-02-22 20:36 ` joakim
2010-02-23 22:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-02-24 21:20 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-02-25 20:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-01 14:59 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 16:32 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-01 17:14 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 20:59 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-02 17:39 ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-02 18:46 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 21:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-02 13:34 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 21:37 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-01 22:18 ` Štěpán Němec
2010-03-01 22:30 ` Štěpán Němec
2010-03-01 23:00 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-02 13:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-03 20:13 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-04 5:42 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-02 19:03 ` Davis Herring
2010-02-25 22:56 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-03-04 5:39 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-04 7:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-04 18:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-05 4:41 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-04 13:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-04 18:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-04 18:33 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-07 22:58 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-04 20:39 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-07 23:16 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-08 3:17 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-08 14:55 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-08 17:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-08 17:53 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-04 18:30 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-05 0:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-01 14:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 16:26 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-01 17:28 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 18:06 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-01 21:22 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-03 20:15 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-03 20:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-03 22:21 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-02 13:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 21:09 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-11 3:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-12 20:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-12 21:37 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-05 15:50 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 16:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 17:51 ` Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus) (was: Integrating package.el) Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 19:43 ` Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus) Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 22:28 ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2010-01-05 17:27 ` Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus) (was: Integrating package.el) Reiner Steib
2010-01-05 18:03 ` Integrating package.el Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-05 18:40 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 19:14 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-05 20:04 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 23:19 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-06 15:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-30 17:16 ` unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-01 19:21 ` Tom Tromey
2009-12-29 5:22 ` Autoload from a web page? Richard Stallman
2009-12-29 5:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-02 15:45 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-04 2:26 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-04 16:23 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-29 17:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-30 16:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-30 16:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-30 17:08 ` Lennart Borgman
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