From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Antoine Levitt Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please don't refer to Emacs as "open source" Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:26:19 +0200 Message-ID: <87zkljcxg4.fsf@gmail.com> References: <010001cc29eb$fc806cb0$f5814610$@cs.ua.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1308126893 17421 80.91.229.12 (15 Jun 2011 08:34:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:34:53 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 15 10:34:46 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWlYj-0007it-P2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:34:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39549 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWlYi-0006ee-Ji for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:34:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:39898) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWlR9-0005Mt-D8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:26:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWlR6-0008Lx-Ar for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:26:55 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:46035) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWlR5-0008LK-OC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:26:51 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWlR2-0003s0-Tq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:26:48 +0200 Original-Received: from ney92-7-78-233-218-202.fbx.proxad.net ([78.233.218.202]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:26:48 +0200 Original-Received: from antoine.levitt by ney92-7-78-233-218-202.fbx.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:26:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ney92-7-78-233-218-202.fbx.proxad.net Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140479 Archived-At: 13/06/11 21:59, Richard Stallman > Emacs is not intended to be open source, but rather free/libre > software. We have developed it for freedom's sake, and we want people > to know this. Referring to Emacs as "open source" tends to cover up > our ethical values up behind a different view that only cites > practical values. Emacs has come a long way since the heyday of the GNU project. I expect (but I might be wrong) that for many people involved in emacs nowadays, the only thing left of this GNU commitment in emacs you take for granted is annoying splash screens and papers to sign. > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html > for more explanation of the difference between free software and open > source. > > If you would like our participation in this study, please agree to > give the free software movement equal mention in the study's report. They don't want GNU's "official" participation in the survey, they just want the largest number of open source developpers to participate. Their study is about how open source devs work together as teams in distributed environments. Emacs is open source (aside from being "part of the GNU project"), therefore it makes sense to ask emacs devs for their input on this. Philosophy has nothing to do with it.