From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New build process? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:56:22 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87zkjzzv21.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20110726184220.GA6390@acm.acm> <87bowg6fre.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <4E2F2084.7070001@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1311775046 12549 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2011 13:57:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:57:26 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 27 15:57:20 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm4bt-0000Ks-TM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:57:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55145 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm4bt-00020J-HY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:57:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:43451) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm4bU-0000ji-1Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:56:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm4bP-0007BI-L5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:56:51 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:34605) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm4bP-0007Av-9L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:56:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm4bF-0008VS-H6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:56:37 +0200 Original-Received: from p508eac21.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.172.33]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:56:37 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508eac21.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:56:37 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508eac21.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:vq/nNslj+NN1aqb2j9+pVTQ4m0M= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142390 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 15:11, Tim Cross wrote: >>> >>> I'm actually with Richard on this one.  I think the need to install, >>> update, and use any additional commands before "./configure; make" is >>> a nuisance whose justification is questionable at best.  It's just >>> that I gave up on talking people into catering to us dinosaurs whose >>> paradise was lost, and Richard is still trying, because he's a better >>> man than I am. >>> >> >> If you believe you can do it and make it solid (which I expect you >> can), then go for it. I personally don't think it is necessary as we >> are talking about users who are choosing to interact at a low >> development level, which IMO is a moving target subject to change and >> instability. We should not set the bar too high here - put our efforts >> into improving emacs and not into improving the build process for >> those who chose to interact at this level. >> >> Yes, I guess I would be considered a dinosaur and possibly not even a > > Dear dinosaur, can't you believe making the build process simple saves > a lot of time for many developers? The build process _is_ simple. The question is more about it being discoverable. Adding two sentences to INSTALL in the line of These are the installation instructions for compiling Emacs from a distribution tarball. If you are working from a Bazaar checkout, please refer to INSTALL.BZR. should be enough. -- David Kastrup