From: Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: ta@taydin.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 20:02:20 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zjxgyig3.fsf@mithlond.arda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <831uaskhvh.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:38:26 +0300")
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Eli Zaretskii [2013-04-02 19:38:26 +0300] wrote:
> From: Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi>
>> I think Git is liked so much because it gives a lot of power to user.
>> There was this time when the "Git opposition" had some/many
>> philosophical reason why a DVCS software shouldn't allow user do
>> various things. From certain point of view they can be right but
>> users chose Git anyway because it has the functionality that they
>> want.
>
> If it were that simple, Emacs would have been much more popular editor
> than it is now. Yet, somehow that didn't quite happen. Perhaps "a lot
> of power" is not the single most important reason, after all.
Yes, and the other in my message was "the functionality that they
[users] want." Meaning features that matter.
In his retrospective Velmer Vernooij said:
We lost sight of what mattered for our users, focusing on features
that were nice but perhaps not as necessary as we thought. We
overengineered. We didn't get rid of the crufty unnecessary
features. It's harder to comprehend, contribute to or fix
performance issues in a large layered codebase. And the larger a
codebase becomes, the larger the surface for bugs, the harder it is
to refactor.
http://stationary-traveller.eu/pages/bzr-a-retrospective.html
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2013-03-26 19:38 On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development John Wiegley
2013-03-26 19:42 ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2013-03-27 1:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-02 0:31 ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02 8:56 ` Timur Aydin
2013-04-02 13:30 ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 16:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:02 ` Teemu Likonen [this message]
2013-04-02 17:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:44 ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 16:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 13:19 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-02 14:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-04-02 15:13 ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 15:45 ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02 16:21 ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 8:00 ` Miles Bader
2013-04-02 15:16 ` Christopher Schmidt
2013-04-02 15:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-04-02 15:42 ` Barry Warsaw
2013-03-26 20:55 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-26 23:00 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-27 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27 6:38 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-27 8:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-27 9:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 15:49 ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-27 16:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-27 18:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 17:15 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27 17:56 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-27 18:32 ` John Yates
2013-03-27 20:25 ` Werner LEMBERG
2013-03-28 4:20 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 5:33 ` Leo Liu
2013-03-28 7:53 ` joakim
2013-03-28 12:21 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-03-28 18:59 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 21:10 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-29 3:48 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29 3:53 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-29 18:05 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-29 21:12 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 4:20 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 12:26 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-28 15:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 18:58 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:26 ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 19:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-27 18:48 ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-27 20:27 ` Josh
2013-04-02 0:26 ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02 3:24 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-02 8:25 ` chad
2013-04-02 16:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:57 ` chad
2013-04-02 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 18:12 ` chad
2013-04-02 12:30 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2013-04-02 14:02 ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02 15:19 ` Jay Belanger
2013-04-02 19:27 ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 18:07 ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03 21:34 ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 23:20 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-04 3:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04 7:23 ` Andreas Schwab
2013-04-04 7:53 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-05 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-05 6:46 ` Leo Liu
2013-04-05 15:01 ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-06 14:04 ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03 0:06 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27 13:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 4:19 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 12:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 13:25 ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 13:57 ` Bastien
2013-03-28 18:59 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:48 ` chad
2013-03-28 20:59 ` Bastien
2013-03-27 4:15 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2013-03-27 6:38 ` Leo Liu
2013-03-31 22:01 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2013-03-31 23:00 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-03-31 23:40 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2013-04-01 0:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-01 5:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-01 6:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 18:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-01 8:33 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-01 17:47 ` John Wiegley
2013-04-02 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 19:28 ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-02 19:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 17:44 ` John Wiegley
2013-04-04 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 18:44 ` joakim
2013-04-04 19:15 ` John Wiegley
2013-04-04 20:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 18:57 ` Sam Steingold
2013-04-04 20:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-05 4:34 ` Bastien
2013-04-05 10:46 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-05 15:37 ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-06 23:03 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-07 1:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-07 5:22 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-04 23:08 ` Stephen Leake
2013-04-04 23:58 ` Daniel Colascione
2013-04-05 1:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-07 3:11 ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-04-05 9:57 ` Julien Danjou
2013-04-05 14:55 ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-05 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-05 15:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-04-02 22:00 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-03-27 8:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 14:10 ` John Wiegley
2013-03-27 16:54 ` Romain Francoise
2013-03-27 14:52 ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2013-03-27 7:53 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-27 9:09 ` Julien Danjou
2013-03-27 9:56 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-03-27 10:36 ` David Engster
2013-03-27 12:51 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-03-27 12:55 ` Julien Danjou
2013-03-27 13:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-27 13:58 ` David Engster
2013-03-27 23:13 ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-27 23:16 ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-28 3:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-28 8:37 ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-28 9:15 ` Andreas Schwab
2013-03-28 9:07 ` David Engster
2013-03-28 9:55 ` Abolishing ChangeLog files (was: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development) Christopher Schmidt
2013-03-28 10:55 ` Abolishing ChangeLog files Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-28 18:58 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 20:09 ` Aidan Gauland
2013-03-28 21:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-29 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29 6:36 ` Paul Eggert
2013-03-29 20:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 23:44 ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29 3:48 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29 8:02 ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29 9:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 14:20 ` John Wiegley
2013-03-29 23:06 ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29 18:37 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 11:05 ` Abolishing ChangeLog files (was: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development) Carsten Dominik
2013-03-28 11:44 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-03-28 11:56 ` Abolishing ChangeLog files David Engster
2013-03-29 0:23 ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-28 11:59 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-28 13:17 ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 23:58 ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-28 12:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 16:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 17:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 21:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 21:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 22:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29 5:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 6:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 6:43 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29 7:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 8:38 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 9:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 10:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 10:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 11:11 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29 11:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 11:00 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29 11:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 22:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 15:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 15:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 20:58 ` chad
2013-03-29 6:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 20:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-29 21:53 ` Nikolai Weibull
2013-03-30 2:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-30 8:07 ` Nikolai Weibull
2013-03-28 12:35 ` On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 13:08 ` David Engster
2013-03-29 7:00 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 10:14 ` David Engster
2013-03-29 21:27 ` joakim
2013-03-28 2:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 3:22 ` Kolo Rahl
2013-03-28 12:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 8:08 ` Stephen Leake
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