From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Tromey Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:45:40 -0600 Message-ID: <87zjt9rwh7.fsf@fleche.redhat.com> References: <874nbh2z3y.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87y58t1cih.fsf_-_@ferrier.me.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1374864352 32170 80.91.229.3 (26 Jul 2013 18:45:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nic Ferrier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 26 20:45:54 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V2n1V-00039I-Kq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:45:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48649 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2n1V-00066d-AN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:45:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54531) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2n1Q-00065R-Jl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:45:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2n1O-0007Gu-K9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:45:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:41810) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2n1N-0007Ge-Uw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:45:46 -0400 Original-Received: from int-mx12.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx12.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.25]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r6QIjgsF005415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:45:42 -0400 Original-Received: from barimba (ovpn-113-128.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.113.128]) by int-mx12.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r6QIjeZ2011898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:45:41 -0400 X-Attribution: Tom In-Reply-To: <87y58t1cih.fsf_-_@ferrier.me.uk> (Nic Ferrier's message of "Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:01:26 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.25 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 209.132.183.28 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:162163 Archived-At: >>>>> "Nic" == Nic Ferrier writes: Nic> I disagree. Emacs isn't CommonLisp, never has been CommonLisp and Nic> very likely, never will be CommonLisp. But it is like Common Lisp's little brother. With EIEIO now it is even growing up a bit :) Nic> In Emacs world, we use "package" to mean something different from what Nic> CL "package" means. So right at the start that effort is doomed without Nic> a major change to Emacs 24. I think the name clash is unfortunate. Bad self. However, in practice I don't think there's any difficulty of using the name to mean both things, just a small overlap during discussions. In particular I don't think package.el has any symbols that conflict with things from CL. Tom