From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 10:19:40 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? 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X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179121 Archived-At: "Eric S. Raymond" writes: > David Kastrup : >> When looking at existing Texinfo source, I get a good idea of how to >> write Texinfo markup of my own. When looking at AsciiDoc, I have no >> clue since it is not apparent what is formatting, and what is content. > > That's a feature, not a bug. > > I used to be a fan of heavy, explicit document markup; DocBookXML was > my weapon of choice for large documents. It took a bit of mental > readjustment when I first experimented with minimal, new-school > markups like markdown and asciidoc. > > But then my perspective shifted. Since you shifted your religious affiliation from a heavy-weight logical markup language not intended for human perusal to an easier-on-the-eye visual markup system, it does not follow that your conclusions are valid for a light-weight logical markup language intended to be written by humans. > Now I like the fact that that the markup obtrudes very little on the > actual content. I get to write *foo* instead of > foo and you know what? It's better - lower > overhead not just in typed characters but in the amount of attention > required to read it structurally. Good thing then that Emacs' documentation is not written in Docbook/XML. > I also found that I had underestimated the practical value of not > having to render a document to get it to a plain-ASCII format friendly > to a human eyeball. This cuts out a lot of friction that you won't > notice until it's gone. Well, things like In order to get the result @file{text}, you would write @samp{@@file@{text@}} in your source file. File markups may be line-wrapped after slashes without introducing a hyphen if this is required in the PDF version. are a bit tricky to express in an input-is-output visual markup language. -- David Kastrup