From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:52:45 +0100 Message-ID: <87zjauh08i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <5482D94B.2070102@cs.ucla.edu> <5484FF31.5010808@cs.ucla.edu> <5485FC59.5030700@cs.ucla.edu> <87388p6glt.fsf@engster.org> <871to9lw6g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5486A704.6090305@cs.ucla.edu> <87k321jj4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54876F7F.9000607@cs.ucla.edu> <87y4qfj2u9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54889A57.5060905@cs.ucla.edu> <87vbljb9f4.fsf@wanadoo.es> <54889F6D.6060408@cs.ucla.edu> <87r3w7b83a.fsf@wanadoo.es> <5488C710.3000209@cs.ucla.edu> <871to7ayv9.fsf@wanadoo.es> <5488DC0C.2070402@cs.ucla.edu> <87d27qin2j.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418298807 20146 80.91.229.3 (11 Dec 2014 11:53:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 11 12:53:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz2J4-00083z-Ry for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:53:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50420 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz2J4-0003i8-9a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:53:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38307) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz2Im-0003hy-6b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:53:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz2Ih-0005vd-DZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:53:00 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33481) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz2Ih-0005vY-A9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:52:55 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40653 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz2Ig-0002Kx-IS; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:52:54 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 41496E664E; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:52:45 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:44:31 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179735 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:54 AM, David Kastrup wrote: >> Paul Eggert writes: >> >>> =D3scar Fuentes wrote: >>> >>>> Some formats (like Org) are "final", in the sense that the source text >>>> (the equivalent of *.texi) is intended for consumption (it is the *.in= fo >>>> too, although not as pretty as some of its other representations such = as >>>> HTML.) Failures on the structure are visible, links can be checked rig= ht >>>> away, etc. >>> >>> This is an advantage of Org mode over Texinfo. >> >> It's also a disadvantage since it means that one simple text-based >> output format has to contain the full information relevant for all other >> output formats. Which causes visual clutter not relevant for the >> text-based output format. > > But for HTML you add style sheets. So it is not really true that the > org format has to contain all the information. Style sheets contain formatting, not information. Everything that a style sheet has to apply to individually needs to be marked with a corresponding div tag or similar individually. So I stand by my statement that the Org format has to contain all the information. It does not need to contain specifics about the formatting, such as the background color, or the fonts/markup for _every_ @file construct. But it still needs to mark everything specifically for which a specific formatting, whether or not specified in a style sheet, is supposed to apply. --=20 David Kastrup