From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:09:51 +0100 Message-ID: <87zjaslje8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87ppbqb6s1.fsf@gnu.org> <87388mme16.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87a92u86wv.fsf@gnu.org> <87egs5ktdv.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418415026 1587 80.91.229.3 (12 Dec 2014 20:10:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 20:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 12 21:10:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XzWXa-00078c-7G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:10:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59319 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzWXZ-0007zI-Kl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:10:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44545) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzWXG-0007y8-DF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzWXB-0006Yk-RP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:09:58 -0500 Original-Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([2a01:474::1]:46894) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzWXB-0006WZ-Ju for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:09:53 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5532A3B8B; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:09:52 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pg3BbTvS2Ceq; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:09:52 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from pluto (reverse-83.fdn.fr [80.67.176.83]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DFCBCA2; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:09:51 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 22 Frimaire an 223 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0xEA52ECF4 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 83C4 F8E5 10A3 3B4C 5BEA D15D 77DD 95E2 EA52 ECF4 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <87egs5ktdv.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:19:24 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a01:474::1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179958 Archived-At: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) skribis: > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: [...] >> Leaving out cross-manual refs would be a big loss for GNU as a project >> to develop a coherent system, because manuals would be left isolated. > > > Go to the Emacs manual, and type "i", [...] > So, the manuals already are isolated. No, you=E2=80=99re talking about the index; I was referring to cross-manual references. Go to and notice that one can seamlessly navigate to the manuals it refers to, such as libc, Binutils, Emacs, Geiser, etc. The same thing works when that manual is installed locally: the Info browser automatically follows links to other locally-installed manuals. >> To me, if replacing Texinfo and/or Info results in loss of functionality >> at all, that=E2=80=99s a showstopper. I=E2=80=99m surprised alternative= systems are not >> studied with that in mind. > > I have this great idea for a hypertext system. What it will do is have > globally unique identifiers, so that it is possible to put > cross-references between any two documents published using this > hypertext system. I shall the cross references IRIs (for Info Resource > Identifiers), and the whole system will be WWI (World-Wide Info). Are > you with me? No. URLs are global: that=E2=80=99s what the HTML output of Texinfo uses; = fine. But I also want to be able to browse documentation installed on my system, and that actually corresponds to software versions installed on my system. In that case, URLs fall short. Instead, the documentation browser needs to look up locally-installed manuals in some search path. I hope this clarifies what I intended to convey. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.