From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 08:56:13 +0200 Message-ID: <87zizz15rm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <560CCEBA.9080607@online.de> <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> <87lhbmkrle.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87si5r22qh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8737xrweel.fsf@googlemail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443941801 31294 80.91.229.3 (4 Oct 2015 06:56:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 06:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: jens.k.loewe@googlemail.com (Jens K. 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Loewe), emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <8737xrweel.fsf@googlemail.com> (Jens K. Loewe's message of "Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:33:54 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.28 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190849 Archived-At: jens.k.loewe@googlemail.com (Jens K. Loewe) writes: >> The whole point of GNU is the non-acceptance of software denying the >> users the fundamental software freedoms. > > So GNU does not stand *for* something but *against* something? GNU's > whole point is not to be better than others but to point out that > others are worse? That reminds me of a kindergarten. The mission of GNU is to give users the ability to do all their computing needs with software that respects their freedom. Raising awareness that software has also non-technical aspects is also a point of that. > Furthermore, shouldn't it be the right of a free user to use a > non-free system at his own will? I don't use GNU for the sole reason > that I get my things done fast on other platforms, but I solve a lot > of problems with FLOSS software even on closed platforms. Am I a bad > guy now? Obviously not. A user should have the ultimate freedom to use whatever he prefers, and of course, we advocate for making users aware of freedom being an important factor. But from the point of view of GNU, when the possibilities he can choose from don't include a free alternative, that's an unacceptable situation where GNU must take action. That could mean providing a free alternative or advocating against that thing in case there cannot be a free alternative (e.g., for DRM there cannot be a free alternative). > However, it seems that the Emacs product is less important than the > Emacs "philosophy" here. It's actually very simple: there won't be a technical feature which relies on or works best with proprietary components because that would encourage users to give up some of their freedom for technical merits. Bye, Tassilo