From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Mac port Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 11:39:29 +0100 Message-ID: <87ziws8bku.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87bn9a8an8.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <5682CA30.904@gmail.com> <5682CC68.8070205@yandex.ru> <5682D13E.7090202@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451472001 19989 80.91.229.3 (30 Dec 2015 10:40:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 10:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cl=E9ment?= Pit--Claudel , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 30 11:39:45 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aEEAR-0005hS-PG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 11:39:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51752 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aEEAQ-0007uX-Ij for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 05:39:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38491) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aEEAN-0007uR-1W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 05:39:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aEEAM-00066i-1o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 05:39:38 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49478) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aEEAK-00066L-Ol; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 05:39:36 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45906 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aEEAD-0004pf-TZ; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 05:39:30 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 78017DF877; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 11:39:29 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 30 Dec 2015 01:11:18 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197165 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > However, our response should not be purely technical, because the > problem is not purely technical. A big part of the problem is that > these people judge the "best" experience in a shallow, superficial > way, considering convenience alone and disregarding freedom. When you > judge based on freedom, SmackOS is a horrible experience. > > We need to do more to point out this issue to the people who > habitually disregard it, or don't know about it. > > I suggest showing other people fsf.org/tedx and > http://gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html. > Also http://gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.html. > > Your personal example can influence people. If you put GNU/Linux on > your Mac, and tell your friends, "I want freedom. I will sacrifice > some convenience so I can be free," you will influence some of them > somewhat. Personally, these days I find that the most convincing treatises about the importance of software freedom are written by Apple and Microsoft themselves. Just read the "license agreement" of their software to users and ask them for every sentence whether they really agree (plan plenty of time for that: I think the "privacy agreement" for Windows=A010 alone runs to about 20=A0pages). It was solemn for MSDOS, sobering for Windows=A03.1, troubling for Windows=A095, and has become so outlandish since then that it's hard to believe if you read the entire thing. These days "don't agree to stuff you haven't read" is pretty much sufficient for leaving little but Free Software as a serious option. --=20 David Kastrup