From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Seeking a "Patch Champion" Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 14:22:30 -0500 Message-ID: <87zishebnt.fsf@red-bean.com> References: <8737q9h83r.fsf@red-bean.com> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1461612188 18967 80.91.229.3 (25 Apr 2016 19:23:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 19:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 25 21:23:04 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aum62-0004bW-S8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 21:23:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33341 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aum5z-0002sR-2g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:22:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33291) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aum5f-0002jY-Ed for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:22:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aum5a-0000Dw-NJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:22:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-io0-x235.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::235]:33048) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aum5a-0000Cm-II for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:22:34 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-io0-x235.google.com with SMTP id f89so159215215ioi.0 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 12:22:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=lYNDNqB6Bf/ZMnQ8lo544rZl8Oy7CBpQjLKKodBziHE=; b=U40nfL3kg3ZDRHW/1FPQwPptgWGFcRCCjqPLnwN4zG2rI0E1VQtbONrjxz9bkmNSXR qqKpZhJMO23k1goBrdwIOm+2FemCoTfWbmNUUWKyXO2FfdHf7bgbrNYbpA7d1tuaOdvU IwLgXex7OaHh20sNCC+6xiMhNuJpCgON4xAFdstBu8wxAsbgAnRx1rKjckqu+/p6IO8N 8ZGmB0MRg2aNpwosbTNMWiKdYicu7q0/2+hH+9HCcANzAeOsS6gJwkDy18An1H6mKV2Z lcz6KxBcPl77ZPd2DfwVzEK2tvKPpTJ9zoGEb+jEmqFF886MsUoRWWC+gmTjEl+w7c3d OmyQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=lYNDNqB6Bf/ZMnQ8lo544rZl8Oy7CBpQjLKKodBziHE=; b=Kk3403+n+sm6xXsq6oLKJv7G+7GVsdG6yDmmUj1vIPE/7IAVXBKRstYIu7OBtFlF51 DIz7DkoE0Vk27XU4jaHos+XmbdFIi7oT6xMIH1rYLZJfUbKA4Whk9mkdyjn5Fy1MecBL /l2TptisnAs8dIil8tNlohWIAN87WpOka96VBQm7QgFiI7b8MdXgoxRSYxd8+okU7xlK f4QM3+vJ0C5TJLAIALavscgB7ArnFzIusJBTBnPgpecvew4ZNk2f3Pzj3sA1oSC/7YOp R9fpshGatlmCzQg0EZUmqApKH1ff+uxC89j1ILTOwNMxOwW/y6fO77cl3BsqsNQ5CuuP vfxA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWgRq7TX9HncDF/3E3EUZoGeoNYJcSkkU5XC9tAej39ZyiFYvDRdvF81/5zFMIjGQ== X-Received: by 10.107.129.216 with SMTP id l85mr29814243ioi.170.1461612154114; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 12:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from floss (74-92-190-114-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [74.92.190.114]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s18sm9716818igr.12.2016.04.25.12.22.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Apr 2016 12:22:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:14:05 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:203303 Archived-At: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >Karl Fogel writes: >>>But the lost patch situation in Emacs is a genuine problem, and one that >>>I think may be disencouraging new contributors. Here's what I think >>>should happen: >>> >>>1) Whenever somebody posts a patch to emacs-devel, and you don't feel >>>like applying it at once, tell them "send this via `M-x >>>report-emacs-bug', otherwise it'll never be applied". >>> >>>2) People interested in herding patches should start using debbugs-gnu. >>>I've now added another command to make this easier -- just say `M-x >>>debbugs-gnu-patches', and you'll get a nice list of all the bug reports >>>that contain patches. (Or at least the ones that have been marked as >>>such, but that's pretty much all of them...) >> >> These two ideas would add burden to the patch submitter, I think, >> unlike John's proposal. > >The first one is an added burden to the submitter, but the second one >isn't something the submitter has to deal with at all -- it's for the >cat herders. I mean, patch managers... Ah, good point, agreed.