From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uwe Brauer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: implementing BIDI isolates, and make LRM and RLM visible Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 19:48:37 +0000 Message-ID: <87zis8i6lm.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <87zis8tl1f.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <83shy0l09l.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462218569 12979 80.91.229.3 (2 May 2016 19:49:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 19:49:29 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 02 21:49:21 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1axJqK-00083b-G8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 May 2016 21:49:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38311 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axJqG-000095-Fo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 May 2016 15:49:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47199) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axJq7-0008NQ-Nk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2016 15:49:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axJpw-0007KK-2s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2016 15:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:42905) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axJpv-0007IL-SB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2016 15:48:56 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1axJpl-0007qA-Lt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2016 21:48:45 +0200 Original-Received: from 131.red-88-1-251.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([88.1.251.131]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 02 May 2016 21:48:45 +0200 Original-Received: from oub by 131.red-88-1-251.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 02 May 2016 21:48:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 48 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.red-88-1-251.dynamicip.rima-tde.net Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130016 (Ma Gnus v0.16) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:pOpRdpxYQuYL60138R9KpsqvuG8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:203529 Archived-At: >>> "Eli" == Eli Zaretskii writes: > That's accurate for Emacs 24.5. Emacs 25.1 has the full UBA > implemented, including the isolates. > I don't understand this, sorry. Please show what you type, how it > looks on display, and how you wanted it to look, and we can take it up > from there. Ok, I will send some screenshots, most likely tomorrow. I'd rather avoid to send them, but it seems the fastest way to explain. > In any case, I don't think the issue that bothers you has anything > to do with isolates, because those don't change how Emacs > determines the base paragraph direction. ok > It's done already. Good :-D > We are already in the future, just use the latest pretest of Emacs > 25.1. I do, the person I was discussing this issue with, however did not. He still uses 24. But he was also bothered by the paragraph direction. For example OO (OpenOffice) whose BIDI implementation does not seem to be perfect, only changes the display paragraph wise. But I will elaborate an example. >> Meanwhile I try to use LRM and RLM to deal with such situations. >> However is there a way to make them visible, at least buffer >> local? > They are visible: they are displayed as thin spaces. If you want them > more visible, customize glyphless-char-display-control. Ok, I realize that there is something, but for me that is to tiny. I will try your advice. Thanks again Uwe