From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Preview: portable dumper Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 01:30:53 +0100 Message-ID: <87zikfnpdu.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <9B7513AE176AE5429921DB50D54FD2FC2C07843DEF@MAILBOX.GAM.LOCAL> <831sxrphhv.fsf@gnu.org> <20161201221327.6004818.29179.20240@gamalquiler.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1480638733 18956 195.159.176.226 (2 Dec 2016 00:32:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 00:32:13 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 02 01:32:09 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cCblo-0003sa-V0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 01:32:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59567 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCblr-0002eK-7p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:32:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42139) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCbks-0002d5-2t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:31:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCbkp-0008CE-GK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:31:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=36228 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCbkp-0008Ah-9c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:31:07 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cCbkg-00028i-AF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 01:30:58 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 49 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:fHN66rCKrkrTUr0RPAa6RcyBWjs= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209896 Archived-At: David Requena Zabala writes: >>In that discussion, you asked technical questions about >>the implementation of scroll-bar support in Emacs, on X and on >>MS-Windows, > > and I answered your questions by pointing to the relevant > functions which implement that support. > > Thanks for that.‎ I also seem to remember you bluntly denied a related > issue with the configure script which you latter corrected :-) I don't see it that way. You described a problem, Eli mentioned that he was unable to reproduce it and asked for details. If there is any bluntness on his message, blame it onto the limitations of written communication combined with a very busy maintainer. >> At no time in that discussion you proposed something, let alone some >> code, that was rejected. > > This! no code, good or bad, came ever out of this to be proposed for > inclusion into emacs. And that's for a very definite reason: the > novice who wrote it wasn't willing to put up a fight just because no > new C code is welcomed any longer into emacs.  Where on that exchange was mentioned that a C-based contribution would be problematic? Quite the contrary, when you asked: At any rate, if someone was to implement an hypothetical '--without-w32-toolkit-scroll-bars', would it take entering much into the elisp realm? Eli replied: No, it shouldn't touch the Lisp level at all. The implementation of the scroll bars is entirely on the C level. followed by a 8-line paragraph describing where to begin if you are interested on implementing the feature. So, by taking the time to guide you, Eli in fact was explicitly saying that your C-based feature would be welcomed. Please, it is very important to be rigorous with those matters. You are accusing a maintainer of doing something toxic for the project when in fact he did the opposite. By spreading such misinformation on a public forum it is you who are discouraging would-be contributors. [snip]