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From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Preview: portable dumper
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 01:30:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zikfnpdu.fsf@wanadoo.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20161201221327.6004818.29179.20240@gamalquiler.com

David Requena Zabala <DRequena@gamalquiler.com> writes:

>>In that discussion, you asked technical questions about
>>the implementation of scroll-bar support in Emacs, on X and on
>>MS-Windows,
>
> and I answered your questions by pointing to the relevant
> functions which implement that support.
>
> Thanks for that.‎ I also seem to remember you bluntly denied a related
> issue with the configure script which you latter corrected :-)

I don't see it that way. You described a problem, Eli mentioned that he
was unable to reproduce it and asked for details. If there is any
bluntness on his message, blame it onto the limitations of written
communication combined with a very busy maintainer.

>> At no time in that discussion you proposed something, let alone some
>> code, that was rejected.
>
> This! no code, good or bad, came ever out of this to be proposed for
> inclusion into emacs. And that's for a very definite reason: the
> novice who wrote it wasn't willing to put up a fight just because no
> new C code is welcomed any longer into emacs. 

Where on that exchange was mentioned that a C-based contribution would
be problematic? Quite the contrary, when you asked:

   At any rate, if someone was to implement an hypothetical
   '--without-w32-toolkit-scroll-bars', would it take entering much into
   the elisp realm?

Eli replied:

   No, it shouldn't touch the Lisp level at all. The implementation of
   the scroll bars is entirely on the C level.

followed by a 8-line paragraph describing where to begin if you are
interested on implementing the feature.

So, by taking the time to guide you, Eli in fact was explicitly saying
that your C-based feature would be welcomed.

Please, it is very important to be rigorous with those matters. You are
accusing a maintainer of doing something toxic for the project when in
fact he did the opposite. By spreading such misinformation on a public
forum it is you who are discouraging would-be contributors.

[snip]




  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-02  0:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 352+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-01 18:50 Preview: portable dumper David Requena Zabala
2016-12-01 19:37 ` Filipe Silva
2016-12-02  7:57   ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-01 22:13   ` David Requena Zabala
2016-12-02  0:30     ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2016-12-02  7:28     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 12:44       ` David Requena Zabala
2016-12-02 22:22         ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-02-13 22:06 Angelo Graziosi
2018-02-13 22:28 ` Angelo Graziosi
2018-02-14  7:23   ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-14 16:18   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-16 21:14   ` Angelo Graziosi
2018-02-16 21:25     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-17  8:54       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-19 22:23         ` Andy Moreton
2018-02-20  4:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-20 21:51           ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-16 21:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-19 17:04   ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-19 20:03     ` Andy Moreton
2018-02-19 20:16       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-19 20:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-19 20:31         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-20  0:12     ` Angelo Graziosi
2018-02-26 12:03     ` Angelo Graziosi
2018-02-26 17:10       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-29  7:12         ` Angelo Graziosi
2018-03-29  7:34           ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-29  9:39             ` Robert Pluim
2018-03-29 13:35               ` Pip Cet
2018-03-29 15:31                 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-29 16:15                   ` Pip Cet
2018-03-30  8:46                     ` Pip Cet
2018-03-29 11:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-29 13:03               ` Robert Pluim
2018-03-29 13:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-29 13:14               ` Angelo Graziosi
2018-03-30  9:21               ` John Wiegley
2018-03-30 15:16                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-29 19:17             ` Alan Third
2018-03-29 19:32               ` dancol
2018-03-29 19:48                 ` Alan Third
2018-03-31  9:56               ` Alan Third
2018-06-08  9:29                 ` Robert Pluim
2018-06-08 10:05                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-16 11:03                     ` Alan Third
2018-02-14  4:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-14 10:30   ` Robert Pluim
2018-02-14 15:37     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-14 18:38       ` Robert Pluim
2018-02-14 16:24     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-14 17:49       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-14 18:11         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-14 19:07         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-14 19:26           ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-15 16:22             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-16 11:33               ` Andy Moreton
2018-02-16 13:32                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-16 16:50                   ` Andy Moreton
2018-02-16 17:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-16 17:48                   ` Andy Moreton
2018-02-16 19:57                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-16 20:43                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16 21:09                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-16 21:23                           ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16 21:49                             ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-16 22:02                               ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16 22:31                                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-15 16:24             ` Robert Pluim
2018-02-20 16:37               ` Robert Pluim
2018-02-20 17:19                 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-20 17:28                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-20 17:43                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-20 18:09                       ` Robert Pluim
2018-02-20 18:14                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-20 18:20                           ` Robert Pluim
2018-02-20 19:01                             ` Robert Pluim
2018-02-21  6:05                               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-20 17:32                   ` Robert Pluim
2018-02-20 17:45                     ` Robert Pluim
2018-02-20 17:59                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-20 18:17                         ` Robert Pluim
2018-02-20 18:26                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-20 18:46                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-14 20:34   ` Alan Third
2018-02-14 20:46     ` Philipp Stephani
2018-02-15  0:49     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-15 19:30       ` Alan Third
2018-02-15 19:49         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-15 20:35           ` Alan Third
2018-02-15 22:02             ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-15 22:46               ` Alan Third
2018-02-15 23:34                 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16  0:47                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-16  1:07                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16  8:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-16 15:02                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16 15:22                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-16 17:35                           ` Andy Moreton
2018-02-16  1:54                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-16  2:25                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-21 22:04                     ` Phillip Lord
2018-02-26  6:23                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-26 15:10                         ` Phillip Lord
2018-02-26 15:23                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-26 16:55                             ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-01 14:53                               ` Andy Moreton
2018-03-02 13:42                               ` Phillip Lord
2018-02-16  8:24                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-16 11:30                     ` Andy Moreton
2018-02-16 15:15                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16 15:52                         ` Robert Pluim
2018-02-16 17:00                       ` Philipp Stephani
2018-02-16 17:42                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16 15:10                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16 15:33                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-16 15:44                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16 16:08                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-16 16:30                           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-15 22:38             ` Philipp Stephani
2018-02-15 22:44               ` Philipp Stephani
2018-02-15  7:44   ` Yoshiaki Kasahara
2018-02-15 22:17     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16  1:47       ` Yoshiaki Kasahara
2018-02-17 10:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2018-02-19 20:24   ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-19 20:39     ` Andreas Schwab
2018-02-19 21:16       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-19 21:41         ` Andreas Schwab
2018-02-19 22:46           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-06 23:13 Jacob Bachmeyer
2016-12-06 23:18 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-06 23:46   ` Jacob Bachmeyer
2016-12-07  0:04     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-07  0:50       ` Jacob Bachmeyer
2016-11-30 22:07 Reini Urban
2016-11-30 21:58 Tobias Gerdin
2016-11-28 19:50 Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 19:58 ` Burton Samograd
2016-11-28 20:11   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 20:14   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:16     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 20:20   ` John Wiegley
2016-11-28 20:22     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:26       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-28 20:31         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:37           ` Burton Samograd
2016-11-28 20:44             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 16:02               ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-11-29 17:58                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 16:48               ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-29 17:32                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 19:55                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-11-29 17:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 17:49                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 18:17                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 18:03                   ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 18:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 18:49                       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 19:02                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-01  9:18                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-01 18:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02  4:28                             ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-02  4:41                               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-02  8:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02  8:03                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 17:24                                 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-11-28 20:39           ` John Wiegley
2016-11-28 20:34         ` Burton Samograd
2016-11-28 20:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 20:21   ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-28 20:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 20:47       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-28 21:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 21:55           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 22:18           ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 18:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 19:11               ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 20:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 20:29                   ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 20:36                     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 21:30                       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-30  8:26                       ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-11-29 19:12               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 16:55   ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-29 18:39     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 19:03       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 19:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 20:28           ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 19:13       ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-29 19:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 20:54           ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30 16:38             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-30 18:57               ` John Wiegley
2016-11-30 19:14                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30 21:03                   ` John Wiegley
2016-11-30 21:06                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30 21:44                       ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  3:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-01  9:16                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-01 17:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-01 17:35                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01 17:58                             ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30 21:35                     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30 21:44                       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-30 21:50                         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30 22:20                           ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  1:37                           ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-01  1:45                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01  3:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-01  4:10                             ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  4:12                               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01  4:49                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  5:12                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01  9:03                                     ` Matt Armstrong
2016-12-02  8:10                                       ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  9:18                                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-01  4:10                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01  3:41                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-30 19:29                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-11-30 19:45                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30 21:06               ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-01  9:18       ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-01 18:09         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02  2:18           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-02  7:54             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02  8:08               ` John Wiegley
2016-12-02  8:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 19:39                   ` John Wiegley
2016-12-02 20:11                     ` Karl Fogel
2016-12-02 21:22                       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-02 22:06                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 23:15                         ` Karl Fogel
2016-12-15 14:28                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-10-18 23:36                           ` Kaushal Modi
2017-10-19 10:12                             ` Jeremie Courreges-Anglas
2018-02-12 20:18                               ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-13 16:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-14 21:03                                   ` Philipp Stephani
2018-02-15  0:42                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-15 23:31                                   ` Ken Brown
2018-02-15 23:36                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16  1:56                                       ` Ken Brown
2018-02-16  2:36                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-17 23:38                                           ` Ken Brown
2018-02-17 23:59                                             ` Ken Brown
2018-02-18  0:02                                             ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-19 13:30                                               ` Ken Brown
2018-02-19 17:03                                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-19 22:33                                                   ` Ken Brown
2018-02-20 16:32                                                     ` Ken Brown
2018-02-20 17:23                                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-20  1:16                                                   ` Andy Moreton
2018-02-17  1:01                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-19 17:06                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-19 22:00                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-17 11:53                                   ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-02-17 12:09                                     ` Alan Third
2018-02-17 14:12                                       ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-02-20  0:54                                   ` Andy Moreton
2018-02-15  4:28                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-15 22:13                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-15 22:30                                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-15 22:35                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-15 22:56                                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-15 22:35                                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-15 18:34                                 ` andres.ramirez
2018-02-19 22:01                                 ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-02-20  0:28                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-02 22:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 22:28                         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-03  8:48                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03  9:34                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-03 12:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03 14:36                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-03 15:11                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-04 12:20                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-04 12:48                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-04 15:53                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03 17:36                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-03 17:40                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-03 21:09                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-03 21:31                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-04  4:25                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-04 12:34                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-04 12:51                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-04 14:08                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-04 15:22                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-03 21:31                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-04 12:41                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-03 17:41                                 ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-03 19:49                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03 21:30                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-04  3:31                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-04 23:03                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-03 17:24                               ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-03 15:56                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-03 21:31                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-04 23:05                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-02 22:29                         ` John Wiegley
2016-12-03 21:28                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-04 15:57                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-04 17:12                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-04 23:07                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-05  0:24                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-06 10:38                               ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-12-02  9:00               ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-12-02 10:56                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-26 19:48                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2017-05-26 20:26                     ` Kaushal Modi
2017-05-27  7:27                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2016-12-02 13:04               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-02 14:45                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 14:51                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-02 22:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-02 23:32                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-03  8:28                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 23:42                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-02 15:38                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-02 17:26                   ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-02 17:47                     ` Paul Eggert
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2016-12-03  0:07                       ` Drew Adams
2016-12-03  8:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03 20:40                           ` Joost Kremers
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2016-12-03 16:14                           ` Drew Adams
2016-12-03 16:42                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 14:27           ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-28 21:14 ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-28 23:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-28 23:17   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 13:06     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-29 21:19       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 21:35         ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-29 21:50           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 22:01             ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30  0:37               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30  7:35                 ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30 13:33                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-30 20:07               ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-30 20:18                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-03 21:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-03 21:37                     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-04 23:03                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-03 21:54                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-29 22:01           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-29 22:22           ` Philipp Stephani
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