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From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, fgunbin@fastmail.fm, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: C-x &
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2018 21:17:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zhxzuwwp.fsf@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9d6d548c-4794-4eaa-bdba-7a2d95482d3b@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 6 Aug 2018 10:59:23 -0700 (PDT)")

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

Hi Drew,

>> And of course, "C-x &" invokes a command. 
>
> Yes. But invoking a command is not being a command.

Yes. I haven't said otherwise, at least in my last email.

>> This is equivalent to "M-x universal-async-argument". 
>
> Presumably you mean that using key sequence `C-x &' is equivalent to
> using `M-x universal-async-argument'. That's another way of saying
> that `C-x &' invokes command `universal-async-argument'.
>
> If you wanted to call command `universal-async-argument' a "prefix
> command" you could do so. But `C-x &' is not a prefix command or any
> other kind of command.

I haven't said that `C-x &' is any kind of command, at least in my last
email.

>> So I don't see what's wrong with "prefix command" - it is a command
>> which precedes another command.
>
> Command `universal-async-argument', when invoked, precedes invocation
> of the command bound to the key sequence read by
> `universal-asyn-argument'. Yes.
>
> And using `C-x &' precedes reading of that second key sequence. But
> neither of those things make `C-x &' into a command, prefix, postfix,
> or *fix.

Again, I haven't said that `C-x &' is a command, in my last email.

Let's agree the obvious: `universal-async-argument' is a command, by
default bound to the key sequences `C-x &' and `M-x  u n i v e r s a l -
a s y n c - a r g u m e n t RET.'

The only raison d'être of `universal-async-argument' is to read another
key sequence, which invokes the command bound to that key sequence. This
means, the command `universal-async-argument' always precedes another
command, which I call a prefix in my understanding. Therefore, I've
proposed to call `universal-async-argument' a "prefix command".

The Emacs manual distinguishes between commands and the key (sequence) a
command is bound to. But it explicitely says, that both could be used
equal:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
   In this manual, we will often speak of keys like ‘C-n’ as commands,
even though strictly speaking the key is bound to a command.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

See (info "(emacs) Commands")

So it would be also allowed to speak about the key sequence `C-x &' as a
command, but I don't insist on this if it makes you feel bad.

Best regards, Michael.



  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-06 19:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-23 15:58 Introducing thread-safe Tramp Michael Albinus
2018-07-23 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-23 16:11   ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-23 16:37     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-23 16:55       ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-24  8:25 ` Ken Raeburn
2018-07-24 12:52   ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-24 13:20     ` martin rudalics
2018-07-25  9:51       ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-25 14:44         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-25 17:32           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-25 17:53             ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-26  7:56             ` martin rudalics
2018-07-26  8:14               ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-26  9:02                 ` martin rudalics
2018-07-26 17:24               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-24 15:06     ` Drew Adams
2018-07-25  9:46       ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-25 11:54         ` Phil Sainty
2018-07-25 12:14           ` Andreas Schwab
2018-07-25 13:02           ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-25 13:31             ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-27 15:05               ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-01 16:27                 ` Robert Pluim
2018-08-01 21:28                   ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-27 19:04         ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-07-27 19:42           ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-28  0:14             ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-07-28  7:01               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-28  9:48             ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-29 18:29               ` Drew Adams
2018-07-30  8:44                 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-30 14:23                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 12:47                     ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 12:49                       ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 15:00                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 15:12                           ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 15:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 15:58                               ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 16:11                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 16:18                                   ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 16:58                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 17:29                                       ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 18:34                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-05  9:51                                           ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-05 15:06                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-06 10:54                                               ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-06 14:55                                                 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-06 15:25                                                   ` C-x & (was: Introducing thread-safe Tramp) Michael Albinus
2018-08-06 17:59                                                     ` Drew Adams
2018-08-06 19:17                                                       ` Michael Albinus [this message]
2018-08-06 20:57                                                         ` C-x & Drew Adams
2018-08-06 23:16                                                           ` Drew Adams
2018-08-07  7:05                                                             ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07  7:01                                                           ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-06 15:48                                                   ` Introducing thread-safe Tramp Stefan Monnier
2018-08-06 15:24                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-06 15:29                                                   ` C-x & (was: Introducing thread-safe Tramp) Michael Albinus
2018-08-06 18:32                                                 ` Introducing thread-safe Tramp Filipp Gunbin
2018-08-07 14:20                                                   ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 14:53                                                     ` Stephen Berman
2018-08-07 15:02                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2018-08-07 15:06                                                         ` Stephen Berman
2018-08-07 16:00                                                           ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 15:58                                                         ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 15:33                                                       ` Drew Adams
2018-08-07 16:01                                                         ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 16:12                                                         ` Drew Adams
2018-08-07 16:18                                                           ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 15:56                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 16:24                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-07 16:30                                                           ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 15:56                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-07 16:09                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 16:23                                                         ` Drew Adams
2018-08-07 16:46                                                           ` Drew Adams
2018-08-07 16:54                                                             ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 17:11                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-08  8:18                                                           ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-08 19:01                                                     ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-08-08 20:52                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-08 20:54                                                         ` Drew Adams
2018-08-04 15:42                         ` Drew Adams
2018-08-04 15:56                           ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 16:16                             ` Drew Adams
2018-08-04 17:36                               ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 22:41                                 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-05 10:03                                   ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 16:08                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                         ` <<7c28f9d8-e2bb-4778-ab92-92707f12718f@default>
     [not found]                           ` <<837el6t8r3.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-08-04 16:27                             ` Drew Adams
2018-08-04 16:59                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-05  1:59                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-05 10:07                                 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-06  1:20                                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-05 15:36                                 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-06  4:21                                   ` Howard Melman
2018-08-06  4:39                                     ` Werner LEMBERG
2018-08-06  8:07                                     ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-06 13:50                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-08-06 14:57                                         ` Drew Adams
2018-08-06 14:52                                       ` Drew Adams
2018-08-06 15:52                                         ` Howard Melman
2018-08-06 15:46                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-27 21:08           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-28  0:24             ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-07-28  9:02               ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-27 19:19         ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-07-27 19:32           ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-27 19:40             ` Yuri Khan
2018-07-27 19:43               ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-27 20:09                 ` Yuri Khan
2018-07-27 21:15                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-28  9:11                     ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-28  9:57                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-28 10:04                         ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-27 22:57             ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-07-27 22:59         ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-07-28  9:18           ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-28  9:36             ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-07-28  9:51               ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-28  9:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-07-28 10:13   ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-28 22:20     ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-07-29  9:54       ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-08 16:49         ` Dmitry Gutov

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