From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, fgunbin@fastmail.fm, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: C-x &
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2018 21:17:58 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zhxzuwwp.fsf@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9d6d548c-4794-4eaa-bdba-7a2d95482d3b@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 6 Aug 2018 10:59:23 -0700 (PDT)")
Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
Hi Drew,
>> And of course, "C-x &" invokes a command.
>
> Yes. But invoking a command is not being a command.
Yes. I haven't said otherwise, at least in my last email.
>> This is equivalent to "M-x universal-async-argument".
>
> Presumably you mean that using key sequence `C-x &' is equivalent to
> using `M-x universal-async-argument'. That's another way of saying
> that `C-x &' invokes command `universal-async-argument'.
>
> If you wanted to call command `universal-async-argument' a "prefix
> command" you could do so. But `C-x &' is not a prefix command or any
> other kind of command.
I haven't said that `C-x &' is any kind of command, at least in my last
email.
>> So I don't see what's wrong with "prefix command" - it is a command
>> which precedes another command.
>
> Command `universal-async-argument', when invoked, precedes invocation
> of the command bound to the key sequence read by
> `universal-asyn-argument'. Yes.
>
> And using `C-x &' precedes reading of that second key sequence. But
> neither of those things make `C-x &' into a command, prefix, postfix,
> or *fix.
Again, I haven't said that `C-x &' is a command, in my last email.
Let's agree the obvious: `universal-async-argument' is a command, by
default bound to the key sequences `C-x &' and `M-x u n i v e r s a l -
a s y n c - a r g u m e n t RET.'
The only raison d'être of `universal-async-argument' is to read another
key sequence, which invokes the command bound to that key sequence. This
means, the command `universal-async-argument' always precedes another
command, which I call a prefix in my understanding. Therefore, I've
proposed to call `universal-async-argument' a "prefix command".
The Emacs manual distinguishes between commands and the key (sequence) a
command is bound to. But it explicitely says, that both could be used
equal:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
In this manual, we will often speak of keys like ‘C-n’ as commands,
even though strictly speaking the key is bound to a command.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
See (info "(emacs) Commands")
So it would be also allowed to speak about the key sequence `C-x &' as a
command, but I don't insist on this if it makes you feel bad.
Best regards, Michael.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-08-06 19:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-23 15:58 Introducing thread-safe Tramp Michael Albinus
2018-07-23 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-23 16:11 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-23 16:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-23 16:55 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-24 8:25 ` Ken Raeburn
2018-07-24 12:52 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-24 13:20 ` martin rudalics
2018-07-25 9:51 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-25 14:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-25 17:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-25 17:53 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-26 7:56 ` martin rudalics
2018-07-26 8:14 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-26 9:02 ` martin rudalics
2018-07-26 17:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-24 15:06 ` Drew Adams
2018-07-25 9:46 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-25 11:54 ` Phil Sainty
2018-07-25 12:14 ` Andreas Schwab
2018-07-25 13:02 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-25 13:31 ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-27 15:05 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-01 16:27 ` Robert Pluim
2018-08-01 21:28 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-27 19:04 ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-07-27 19:42 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-28 0:14 ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-07-28 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-28 9:48 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-29 18:29 ` Drew Adams
2018-07-30 8:44 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-30 14:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 12:47 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 12:49 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 15:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 15:12 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 15:58 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 16:18 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 17:29 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-05 9:51 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-05 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-06 10:54 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-06 14:55 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-06 15:25 ` C-x & (was: Introducing thread-safe Tramp) Michael Albinus
2018-08-06 17:59 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-06 19:17 ` Michael Albinus [this message]
2018-08-06 20:57 ` C-x & Drew Adams
2018-08-06 23:16 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-07 7:05 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 7:01 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-06 15:48 ` Introducing thread-safe Tramp Stefan Monnier
2018-08-06 15:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-06 15:29 ` C-x & (was: Introducing thread-safe Tramp) Michael Albinus
2018-08-06 18:32 ` Introducing thread-safe Tramp Filipp Gunbin
2018-08-07 14:20 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 14:53 ` Stephen Berman
2018-08-07 15:02 ` Robert Pluim
2018-08-07 15:06 ` Stephen Berman
2018-08-07 16:00 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 15:58 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 15:33 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-07 16:01 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 16:12 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-07 16:18 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 15:56 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-07 16:30 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 15:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-07 16:09 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 16:23 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-07 16:46 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-07 16:54 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-07 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-08 8:18 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-08 19:01 ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-08-08 20:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-08 20:54 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-04 15:42 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-04 15:56 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 16:16 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-04 17:36 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 22:41 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-05 10:03 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-04 16:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <<7c28f9d8-e2bb-4778-ab92-92707f12718f@default>
[not found] ` <<837el6t8r3.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-08-04 16:27 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-04 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-05 1:59 ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-05 10:07 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-06 1:20 ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-05 15:36 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-06 4:21 ` Howard Melman
2018-08-06 4:39 ` Werner LEMBERG
2018-08-06 8:07 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-06 13:50 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-08-06 14:57 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-06 14:52 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-06 15:52 ` Howard Melman
2018-08-06 15:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-27 21:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-28 0:24 ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-07-28 9:02 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-27 19:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-07-27 19:32 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-27 19:40 ` Yuri Khan
2018-07-27 19:43 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-27 20:09 ` Yuri Khan
2018-07-27 21:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-28 9:11 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-28 9:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-28 10:04 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-27 22:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-07-27 22:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-07-28 9:18 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-28 9:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-07-28 9:51 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-28 9:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-07-28 10:13 ` Michael Albinus
2018-07-28 22:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-07-29 9:54 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-08 16:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
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