From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [RFE] Migration to gitlab Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 11:14:13 -0500 Message-ID: <87zhpsgnxm.fsf@red-bean.com> References: <1552789070.5272.1@yandex.ru> <1552791707.5272.2@yandex.ru> <1552793646.5272.3@yandex.ru> <1552821396.21432.0@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Karl Fogel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="130408"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Konstantin Kharlamov To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 18 17:15:00 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h5uue-000XiG-Gx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:14:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44065 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h5uud-0006wc-FQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:14:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42660) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h5uu3-0006wD-3Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:14:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h5uu2-0003kh-4a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:14:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-it1-x129.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::129]:51134) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h5uu1-0003kO-Rz; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:14:18 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-it1-x129.google.com with SMTP id m137so5756121ita.0; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:14:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=6vAKWpKm6XAw/NMcYp30tN+qleJzbuYQAkY/vA6FN1k=; b=itYPv+kXRt768TZFT/jDgx8Z+lG2/1CbotY1uXyWGsA/ZBq0Pauesa2fGy4jWajFtT X2hK+NRAwwablWxn/qT3OYD0IZb7MSBzHaQkXXB7EGFSvY0TT33cGg8bUO8f4Q279lsp BnVAmQh91G6VrnITKSVsE8ESi9eXMbNFlrFOgIW9nlgWafRKjioSB3IDAlXZnfmDROpz nNzg6lvg/cRdGrO/o5hkpy1J4itmPLN+wKGf5UFqduchfUycMvwafbR5aL3k0qatQjh3 phS37PNv4zYxnnjiLUbQTlMXM0abdLGgsqILGzQQtNvZhgsMPUeNIxxKDhP5giHvai7G hg7g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=6vAKWpKm6XAw/NMcYp30tN+qleJzbuYQAkY/vA6FN1k=; b=Cquyw8NQ/fxCRRkwEXzj0pVnXe5YrJYwcYFoshvoqf3s98QSaTuxyrasPItRurn98C 3DTIUFAfHiAPszk7cHp2WPeYvsACc8m096mGJAHcb0Fm9GTsqgIV+1DB48bKEBN/KMBD hPoxtezdwLLRV6g1s5UxnzRiuAi5/rLXcgu9uRxwPcp270DzUZ4M3WdTsgPOqIo3Zeh1 cQ4Ix8qNUW6RX6K9chA2rjMqtTenEATc3r/b/4Nnx0CbMZEoqWhIhywvw5rGsbSvkx7K G9JLXcbpDskcbJI56T6rSAl+Lfcod6f1K2qyIO7TIdyOIDXxjUg9xVyWK2edJUR1mnVi 9jnw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXkmq5ZFv2+j0buJeS8Y0ohms224SijW0O6IE6Mw0uFCDTwDDjR XQBfkuC9yRmv+3ReqGyMSNHVJC6X X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzEaWdCkrIm7RGFjh+B8aQzYYU0kRatgl5Ko/EnLN5HL8x2XGAP3sccXo37rTIg+sXs+3RX7A== X-Received: by 2002:a05:660c:a18:: with SMTP id e24mr10647905itk.129.1552925656431; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from kwork (74-92-190-114-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [74.92.190.114]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g136sm312273itg.18.2019.03.18.09.14.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:14:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 17 Mar 2019 21:48:43 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::129 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:234330 Archived-At: On 17 Mar 2019, Richard Stallman wrote: >We will not move Emacs to Gitlab. That site has substantial flaws on >some ethical points, and we do not endorse it. > >See https://gnu.org/software/repo-criteria.html for more details. > >Changing savannah's interface is something we could do, >if people offer to do the work. Saying "we will not move X to GitLab" is ambiguous -- not your fault -- because the maintainers of GitLab use that word to refer to several distinct things: 1) A rather nice Free Software package that offers functionality similar to Savannah and other forges. 2) A hosted service for (1). 3) A hosted service for a version of (1) that has been extended with proprietary features. I believe that (1) and (2) both meet the repository criteria you mention above. (3) obviously does not. "GitLab" is also the name of a company that runs both (2) and (3), and that company is the primary maintainer of (1). While their marketing material focuses on (3), making it hard to tell that they also offer (2), they do offer (2). Of course, one could just self-host (1), if one has the ability to do so. Best regards, -Karl