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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254981 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: >> I mean something equivalent to gitter/trello/github's issues/slack > > Trello is a pale imitation of Org mode. Yes, but it also provides something to its users that Org mode does not: a visual concept of cards and stacks. I know several people who are overwhelmed by how =E2=80=9Cfree=E2=80=9D and associative Org mode is, and = who enjoy the rigidity of a simple enforced concept of cards and stacks. Oh, it also makes working in *groups* much easier. I have no idea how to easily collaborate on one shared Org file with other people without having to teach everyone version control first. --=20 Ricardo