From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 12:20:17 -0500 Message-ID: <87zh50lhda.fsf@red-bean.com> References: <83eemji6e8.fsf@gnu.org> <20201001141144.GO4797@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201001160136.chwmpollk4d3qc2e@Ergus> <20201004175447.GG15516@protected.rcdrun.com> <87362tvnil.fsf@gmail.com> <20201004194815.GH15516@protected.rcdrun.com> <11EB917D-3276-4D34-8DCD-2336E8062950@mit.edu> <20201005040245.GJ15516@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201005084441.GB4453@protected.rcdrun.com> Reply-To: Karl Fogel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35489"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Qiantan Hong , Fermin , Jean Louis , Caio Henrique , Ergus , Noam Postavsky , Eli Zaretskii , Emacs developers To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 05 19:21:24 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kPUAt-000961-WD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 19:21:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36978 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPUAt-0003Py-29 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 13:21:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52442) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPU9y-0002RZ-OP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 13:20:27 -0400 Original-Received: from newsp.red-bean.com ([45.79.25.59]:51414 helo=sanpietro.red-bean.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPU9v-00054z-Fy; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 13:20:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=red-bean.com; s=202005newsp; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:Reply-To:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=F6sQ1X94Xn6tbkbZNuc/cz8l9tdNqXd8ZJPmNJFV9FU=; t=1601918422; x=1603128022; b=JrlzvQTbuWEF/RxjCYJsUZwIaaHAVf5uhfmKi2YXwGZ5YRZDjSfsOAKsz+3InIv+zKM1rwtHdL AzOIm9MDCevSQ8DZKJQXXPt3fiSxdxKG6hfTGz1RBMLPOT1RFTIe2UCbU6NUPxKlyH7oYEBnW77Wv YAaLryJ+DmZT3ynAB04oNXPfOi1fyGKjS76sr8Q7XzHCqx5BRAmZs9wUBuWV6jhFSWYH7xVOJwz7c kG6I9pNF4singX+6Xy7SJaQspi1kGu8iUMNYVRk3GzfA6Kbe79lOvQYwZGQ45op2q8hafLH3sDn3C T+F7NQYqbCo14G3+8Jnw07LUleZ1GKxW6dFjA==; Original-Received: from 99-112-125-163.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net ([99.112.125.163]:59728 helo=floss) by sanpietro.red-bean.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kPU9q-0006hK-W4; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 17:20:19 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 05 Oct 2020 09:20:53 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=45.79.25.59; envelope-from=kfogel@red-bean.com; helo=sanpietro.red-bean.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/05 13:20:21 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257132 Archived-At: On 05 Oct 2020, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> > - polish the code, propose it to main stream Emacs inclusion, add the license >>> I don't see why this should be in Emacs itself rather than in a GNU >>> ELPA package. >> For users to easier access real time simultaneous collaborative >> editing features. > >I don't see why that should motivate putting it into emacs.git rather >than elpa.git. Both of these are options for "endorsed publication". That is, they involve putting the code in a third-party location in a way that implies some form of (perhaps qualified or conditional) endorsement by that third party. But I wasn't talking about endorsed publication. I was just proposing a place with a public git repository, issue tracker, etc, in order to make development and testing easier. Right now, Qiantan is posting successive versions of crdt.el to a mailing list -- which is not optimal :-). Having a public version control repository makes it easier for others to follow development closely, offer patches, and so on. What ELPA and the Emacs tree offer is a superset of that. Maybe some day crdt.el will be at a point where the stuff in the superset is desirable, but we're not at that stage yet, and I hadn't expected anyone to raise them in response to my suggestion. Best regards, -Karl