From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:50:45 +0100 Message-ID: <87zh2fnmwq.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <877dpjp30g.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="450"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eric S Fraga Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 15 15:51:33 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpBfo-000AXA-Ov for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:51:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44902 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpBfn-0007f8-Qp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 09:51:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43126) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpBfF-00076F-Qa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 09:50:57 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:46522) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpBfC-0003Ls-MW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 09:50:57 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=HLrNoLr8SfeLCdZDbS5T3+RDsaAWUxJjlIkGoXJbbzc=; b=KpQunS+Bm6AnuUoCgtbvEO3Jbu e1s20fEvmyDdfj2voXKa1ivcuzVR1DNvuJDW/bHynL0fJzcHTngusYlES2k0GZ6jTXLOBz57+J/IE Wu+sVtaC8ATklEdw2iULLRJ6HQWOIPUPmtu3w0g0wA4AbOm7le1cfvoXbgoRPfXoBvUo=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpBf4-0003Ye-Aq; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:50:53 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEXEvZnq4q97dWb/ //9ewNLAAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+QMDw4qGzMCJq0AAAGrSURBVCjPddFBa5xAFAfw 56CwnZOREdKbCQnY+RQqEeyexjAvhD3toYdNP8XsshuKJw9t6XGUFNz3KfNcKfQSD8rPN47v/Qeu gqhtVd3WiAigJ01EeppqhIdqlF7fyiEPEEr0UpKAe/iC0NaNuCaA0A0Ipn50IGekDETfiDhUR97N IjYAAzT9gs2uWMFLyVCIdmuaOIiWCmbt1+r4c4EFcyU6NSNFdDGIkZ+A8w3c4XWBVaFw42+8oLUg 49v4gsjaIjnq/h+MdHSppAGaQr8uOJWWcaCY54ZGHOOikgvWZGLBIaxaRjVBKzmSlYm44qMyaAQN igPJg6g8bUv55hjOpOFnx58CI7DpQ9VvE7qpL5OWj0krkjkQ/vPdtYkLt59Hwee7F34NPxjuz3OT yzflPcP35fpAZ8oHTpTSdkfea3nPlQntjnNfyRHnI/nmXQi607wsUpNXGOXj5sQdGBrT4lc2Jnw+ CvTY21RlhzNvoDufmyobiPE383DjhTxrXrZHvXIkaPrOGExDHWdAyZ57KzceOubpEze7lvA0V+ZG CzlJQSOD08H/ro/xDjlQsnctCKEzAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIwLTEyLTE1VDE0OjQy OjI3KzAwOjAwjqhcvAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMC0xMi0xNVQxNDo0MjoyNyswMDow MP/15AAAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Baby Dee's _Goes Down to Amsterdam (1)_: "When I Get Home" In-Reply-To: <877dpjp30g.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> (Eric S. Fraga's message of "Tue, 15 Dec 2020 14:17:35 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260869 Archived-At: Eric S Fraga writes: > They are easy enough to disable and provide help for the true > neophyte. We have no data to support that. > In fact, learning how to disable the toolbar is probably a > good first exercise in customizing your Emacs! I don't think that's a good argument for having a GUI element that few people like, and which may well be discouraging people from using Emacs at all (because it looks useless and out of touch). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no