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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264986 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: >> Then why we are removing :group tags from defcustom? Because they >> are redundant. >> Completion annotations are redundant the same way. > > Not exactly in the same way, because the overwhelmingly most common case > with :group tags is that all defcustoms in one file share the same group. > > With completion annotations, we have seen ratios from 50-75 %. Indeed. The :group thing is a problem of an entirely different magnitude. (That said, I'm not really enthusiastic about :group removal. :-) But it's Customize, which is kinda hard to care much about anyway, so whoever actually cares can decide.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no