From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding transient to Emacs core Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:54:55 +0000 Message-ID: <87zgxl9peo.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87czuqi86o.fsf@bernoul.li> <83r1ixjmaw.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7372"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Madhu , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 26 14:55:53 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lb0mG-0001dN-AF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:55:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47002 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lb0mF-0001bo-DQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 08:55:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57862) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lb0lT-00019x-HE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 08:55:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:51357) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lb0lQ-0004t2-Iw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 08:55:03 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA1372400FC for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:54:56 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1619441697; bh=71jrTZYgRLgomSRAzkVDPe0rl6x6+cFTNQU6frnPWB0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=SaW7xWJUJWF6EKgNJd2n6oKZoJlwVA6+4qnOi4sKSRC8nPdM04zG36IKPgTqPyMdh jfuuHEQWm0RDboVNAVwnyEO2WPRWrs2PdGzp7hGIUSNyfzmabuEy9xrNAMOoNi9vA/ 8odWD+tS93/pwNQXTJXJF3rT+QUq7dkwAib38dCHyFvyr86X13i2mdfn82gVurgYAv LJ4dQ7fDXINKz5mK+dCCDWGRobEB8afANmfnoKbGdpCgA5IsVnyx2CXqYO9mrM2mNJ tXxOMiM8rnILu7FO4YyeMPjRx3RBPoxskxbW12QfcPbvF/KfDubjnTqXBf//+zK8uO qpmJZtHibilDg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4FTPxX0RbLz6tmF; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:54:55 +0200 (CEST) Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB In-Reply-To: <83r1ixjmaw.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:51:51 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268463 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Madhu >> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 08:00:37 +0530 >> >> I think transient.el has serious design problems with respect to emacs. > > Then please describe those problems in detail, preferably in a bug > report. (You allude here to some discussions you had with Jonas, but > we weren't part of them, and so those references tell us nothing > useful.) It seems Madhu is referencing this commit: https://github.com/magit/transient/commit/c7ad1f01f4ff9e5125bcec99dfb9c3dedadfc369 and these discussions https://github.com/magit/transient/issues/34 https://github.com/magit/transient/issues/44 that claim transient breaks with an unusual display-buffer-alist configuration. >> Until these issues are addressed I would prefer that new code in the >> core not use transient.el > > We cannot agree with this conclusion unless we understand the details. > > Thanks. -- Philip K.