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[106.69.119.55]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o16sm12587270pgv.29.2021.08.28.18.35.22 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 28 Aug 2021 18:35:23 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::1029; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-x1029.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273357 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> For younger people, I suspect part of it is just a perception of email >> as being old and outdated and not fitting as well with their 'style' of >> communication, which tends to be about short messages and group chat in >> near 'real time'. > > Shiny New Toy syndrome, aka Flavor Of The Month. > > (Not at all limited to youth, of course.) Sadly, I think comments like this are all too frequent from us oldies. They feel simplistic, overly dismissive and somewhat arrogant. For youth, nearly everything is shiny and new - we forget that for us, email was shiny and new once upon a time. The difference could just as easily be due to us 'old dogs' failing to learn new tricks and failing to recognise the evolution in social interaction brought about by new technologies. If it is just the flavour of the month, it is a very long month and I see little evidence of that flavour becoming stale. I'm sure it will continue to evolve, but feel it is very unlikely to go back the other way.