From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gitlab Migration Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2021 08:12:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87zgsu428b.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87h7fcnmq0.fsf@posteo.net> <83tujbqg4j.fsf@gnu.org> <46353190-1190-495f-b15e-22980159b3ab@yandex.ru> <83y28mp0rb.fsf@gnu.org> <51a363db-fde7-791d-cf8d-98ac601d62ee@yandex.ru> <57ca4d78-2339-201d-edce-678c9b003a99@yandex.ru> <83bl5dsh8b.fsf@gnu.org> <8335qps8vs.fsf@gnu.org> <9471c28f-8eae-b555-ee86-9fffd6229937@yandex.ru> <83bl5ayyym.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34038"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: philipk@posteo.net, danflscr@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Dmitry Gutov , john@yates-sheets.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 03 08:13:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mM2Rt-0008hF-UY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 08:13:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45080 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mM2Rs-0001IU-CI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 02:13:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36562) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mM2R3-0000b4-C2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 02:12:21 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:43116) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mM2R1-0001Oh-TR; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 02:12:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=bWGGOr28x3papx85LSB3m+UlrY+mi4oYghY5JHGuLjE=; b=qz/ikC+UHAHiqzRr/Sm/rVMwOT uTqo6JB2W9mxSX3Ilo7y0yvZOvEw7bX0S9x1LQC5QpGqGFVUp8vbNmvftRtTKU3Gz3sBbrVKFk+6s dmnOjNqSPgp7SKYksXs5cP1ttYKRv8ZrD/Ixi8o4FewZ5e1fAfIyGqYxmWxZj/HMavCQ=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mM2Qr-0002mC-QR; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 08:12:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83bl5ayyym.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 03 Sep 2021 09:06:57 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273748 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Opt-in changes are an effective way of dealing with such resistance. > They cannot be easily vetoed. We have previously discussed extending the concept of a "theme", which is currently basically just visual. I think the way forward here is to allow people to create opinionated views on how Emacs should work (from keystrokes on up to basically... anything), and include these in Emacs. New users, when starting Emacs, would then be able to choose between, say, five of these mega-themes on the start-up screen by just clicking them. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no