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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273797 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > What if we do introduce the "profiles" feature, *and* we change our > practice to alter the defaults more easily as well? Including radical, > mutinous ones, like indent-tabs-mode -> nil. Not all of them, of > course, but with more of an eye toward being useful for new users > (violent discussions about the default values will continue, but will > sometimes results in changes, too). 1+ It seems to me that the current practice ends up disappointing both those who want to change the default (everything is stale) and traditional users (minor annoyances are introduced all the time). If it were possible for the former to fix how they want the defaults to be by adding something like (load-theme 'emacs-27) to their init, they wouldn't have to fight against every minor change, while at the same time making it easier to argue for incremental changes for the other users. -- Philip Kaludercic