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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 70b23a2d1b18cfffb9d7cbe04a25a17b; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 04:34:13 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 25 Aug 2022 23:36:53 -0400") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20595 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.44; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic317-33.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294125 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Why not? They object to it based on some poorly defined principle that is a combination of "security" and something else I can't put my finger on. > > The most glaring one is the inability to position toplevel windows > > manually, for "security reasons". > > I don't quite understand -- what does it mean, concretely, to > "position toplevel windows manually"? What are "toplevel windows" in > this context? Is an Emacs frame a toplevel window? Yes. > Does this mean that the user can't move an Emacs frame on the screen? No, this means functions like `set-frame-position' can't move the frame on the screen. The only way to move the frame is by the user dragging it with the mouse. > > I thought it was because the Wayland people have a philosophical > > objection to programs knowing anything about the coordinate system in > > use. > > What coordinate system is this about? The coordinate system of the screen.