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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299712 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> John Wiegley writes: >> >>> I'm entirely in support of the code and its development moving directly into >>> core. Whichever best supports the Emacs developers and the needs of the >>> community, since it is more than likely that future work will be carried out >>> by others. I'm ready to hand it off in whatever way is desired by the team >>> here. >> >> IMHO, for that to make sense, someone capable would have to volunteer to >> maintain it on our side. If we don't have such a volunteer, it makes >> more sense to me to keep development external for now. I would like to volunteer for maintaining use-package in core or even outside, but my current skill-level and time availability restrict in making a commitment. However, that was always my intention when starting this discussion. Keeping development out of tree is a good middle ground. >> If we see a need to move development fully into core in the future, we >> can always do that, but the reverse is harder. > > I agree, a transitory stage where use-package is still maintained > externally sounds like the safer bet for now. > >> (If we want to preserve history when making such a move at a later date, >> we could just delete our existing copy of the file from emacs.git and >> then merge the full git history, just as we did with eglot.el.) > > In that case, what is left is completing the .texi manual, or am I > mistaken? After that, I suppose that placing the right files in the > right places in emacs.git will be less that a days work. IIUC, yes. Completing the manual and placing the files should be all that is needed. As mentioned before, use-package has been widely used/tested and has been fairly stable. There should be very few surprises expected even if we aim for 29.1. --