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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305887 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> There are at least two reasons: >> >> 1. the term ``minimize'' does not make sense, at least on the common >> free desktops. >> >> 2. Emacs minimizes windows, while it iconifies frames. Type M-x >> minimize-window RET, then see what happens. > > I hear you, but I still don't see that as good enough reasons to stop > using "minimize frames" as well. I explained my reasons already, and > IMO they are more important than the ones you present. It is easy to understand that ``iconify'' does mean the same thing, as it's already explained many times in the Emacs manual.