From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 09:04:38 +0000 Message-ID: <87zg2nmmhl.fsf@localhost> References: <87y1u8b1gj.fsf@gmail.com> <8735cgot9x.fsf@gnu.org> <83leq7naql.fsf@gnu.org> <86o7v3ryan.fsf@gmail.com> <87wn9qfyv6.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0zy63u3.fsf@localhost> <87h70ufwr1.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j48eg9.fsf@localhost> <83ttsw2oeb.fsf@gnu.org> <87lee889ta.fsf@localhost> <83pm3k2mj2.fsf@gnu.org> <87jztsno4s.fsf@localhost> <83lee737gv.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17315"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: bzg@gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 19 11:05:05 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qXHtI-0004C3-Jk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:05:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXHsZ-0005WF-ER; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 05:04:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXHsX-0005W4-FN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 05:04:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXHsS-0004Yc-Cp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 05:04:15 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2F7F240104 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:04:10 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1692435850; bh=kXbZUYwP8tSifylUxPZcS/XRJ4pUkbHuLSh94H/3Ii0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=XgiXs2ryWV9IzWmPMzT50H8ZcpSenGp6GxYgBlYMPTx64URJOem6DNxxqlcxOJcOG v/V9DUwQrxYtLfwxbmwouyhnQtK0Ukm58hB+ik/CYO1GLGBp0svxy/kTA97HUl6rXQ bNQkQRLBSmSLDN6x22mVw9B7g10F7LzVCrk1GmvGcBu0/1eW5PvvC9swes+IJnuOcN Lm+csQ6oB3GUevH4TzYlHfJTLUbuhnCFshynTN5iYR75Usamy5ShhMQp3LWvT5AEtS ANnxIAN0xzwxiOgvWjNMDCqVp0yxsr7B9gfyooatBh/1qv5s1vEPDZXNVF5wvUXgtF 8LW7CPV9ka17g== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4RSXqG10t2z6twP; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:04:09 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <83lee737gv.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308918 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > I'd welcome such a change, FWIW. >> >> But how would Org benefit from it? > > I explained that below this part in my email. I thought that you were referring to RMS' request. > I don't know why Richard made that request. From my POV, switching > from Texinfo to _any_ significantly different markup has the > significant disadvantage that people who routinely improve our manuals > will have to learn a new language, and that will likely lower their > motivation. > For better and for worse, Texinfo is our documentation system. It is > a good system, and is actively developed (version 7.1 will be released > soon), so abandoning it for something that is less familiar to those > who take care of the documentation is a net loss, IMO. We have enough > real problems on our hands to afford inventing new ones. This may be true in general, but not for Org development. People contributing to the Org manual are expected to understand Org markup. So, it is Texinfo that becomes the new language to learn and that creates an extra contribution barrier. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at