From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Colin Baxter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 18:18:50 +0100 Message-ID: <87zg2h65j9.fsf@yandex.com> References: <87y1u8b1gj.fsf@gmail.com> <8735cgot9x.fsf@gnu.org> <83leq7naql.fsf@gnu.org> <86o7v3ryan.fsf@gmail.com> <87wn9qfyv6.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0zy63u3.fsf@localhost> <87h70ufwr1.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j48eg9.fsf@localhost> <83ttsw2oeb.fsf@gnu.org> <87lee889ta.fsf@localhost> <87msyi6qk7.fsf@localhost> <87bkey6n0s.fsf@yandex.com> <877cpm2et8.fsf@localhost> <87r0nt7wkw.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: m43cap@yandex.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30801"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Ihor Radchenko , rms@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, bzg@gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 23 19:19:48 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qYrWG-0007qY-Fw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 19:19:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYrVY-0000r1-7d; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 13:19:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYrVV-0000qe-14 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 13:19:01 -0400 Original-Received: from forward501a.mail.yandex.net ([2a02:6b8:c0e:500:1:45:d181:d501]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYrVS-00039O-00; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 13:19:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-64.vla.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-64.vla.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0f:170e:0:640:d60c:0]) by forward501a.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id DD70F5ECB1; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 20:18:52 +0300 (MSK) Original-Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-64.vla.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id oIOcCr3DUCg0-jGFeug0k; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 20:18:52 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1692811132; bh=pQ1GiI2BZ36L3hm/vquBe8/uo2Jv24xYVynue7P0ytM=; h=Message-ID:References:Date:Reply-To:Cc:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; b=FQBcW5sCcJXs7B4orfCuqyC8jmKkOrcIWAEqu3KQkuLwE+jhml2pojg7mn6dnIFEM iy6LK9kcrSZTHIBIU5v15iq/XMN/mExNi6ZvWzVU1pr7tgdZjv4Si3vQ6i63uk1qSF sYFAaGdLJxi88ZIFinaMdFzk+s0aPKdVcxA4iL3Q= Authentication-Results: mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-64.vla.yp-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com In-Reply-To: <87r0nt7wkw.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Wed, 23 Aug 2023 20:49:19 +0800") X-Face: BHjiJOg/Qmj'BQgsAKL@])L)e62P)C"Y=6T Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAEkAAAATAgMAAAChCMjeAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAACVBMVEX/zAABCWP///8I RHjYAAAAAWJLR0QCZgt8ZAAAAAlwSFlzAAALEwAACxMBAJqcGAAAAAd0SU1FB+UFEAk5BvqS634A AAAbSURBVBjTY2BgCA1hYA0FAxDDgQEERsXoIAYA2F9Eb3cpB+AAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRl ADIwMjEtMDUtMTZUMTA6NTY6MTcrMDE6MDCh/kkpAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTA1 LTE2VDA5OjU3OjA2KzAxOjAwTyZ6HwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:6b8:c0e:500:1:45:d181:d501; envelope-from=m43cap@yandex.com; helo=forward501a.mail.yandex.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309137 Archived-At: >>>>> Po Lu writes: > Ihor Radchenko writes: >> Why is it a problem? I have seen this term elsewhere as well. >> >> In any case, the key point is not the terminology, but the fact >> that other people independently grouped Org markup with multiple >> other markups that are widely used. > I may not be the individual best qualified to speak apropos this > subject, but I can't imagine any reason learning Texinfo should be > any more challenging than learning a version of Org extended to > sufficiently address every one of Texinfo's applications. > Annulling any hypothetical advantage -- should it exist -- is the > significant body of GNU developers who are already proficient in > Texinfo, many of whom bear no interest in Org. > Richard, what makes you believe that? Can you provide any > concrete examples of Texinfo constructs that would be simpler in > Org? Perhaps this ship sailed long ago but would removing org-mode from emacs core go some way towards making the choice between using texinfo or org-mode irrelevant? As an external package, org-mode's documentation could then evolve independently, as its users think best. Colin Baxter.