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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:317343 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: Hi Eli, > So what is it that you do with Tramp to make its parts in Emacs ready > for a release? If I'd alerted you to the imminent release, what would > you have done before telling me that Tramp is ready? I would change the Tramp version from "2.6.3-pre" to "2.6.3.29.3", and I would update `customize-package-emacs-version-alist'. The Tramp version happens on several places in Emacs, so I have a small automation which runs on my laptop. See lisp/net/trampver.el and doc/misc/trampver.texi. >> I haven't proposed that such an announcement shall happen. I have only >> proposed to send an alert like "Heads up! The next Emacs release will >> happen on Sunday!". > > Without any explanation, that wouldn't be accepted by the community as > we know it. There would be a flood of questions, and what could I > possibly say in response? "I can tell you, but then I'll have to have > you taken out and shot"? If it doesn't bother you too much, an alert just to me would be OK. >> Btw, I've got already the first rant that "Tramp 2.6.3-pre" is useless >> for determining, whether a given patch is contained in Emacs 29.3. Righ= t >> they are! >> >> > > If you think this is bad enough, we can always release Emacs 29.4. No. As I've said already in another message, this ship has sailed. And it happened already in the past: Emacs 22.3 came with Tramp 2.0.58-pre, and Emacs 23.4 came with Tramp 2.1.21-pre. Best regards, Michael.