From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 23.0.50; Middle w in of permissions in dired-mode is red and bold: dired-warning Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:20:00 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87y78k2c2b.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87hckt9z1u.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <878x0n1g86.fsf@jurta.org> <877ig50vta.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <878x0kuagl.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205599084 22568 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2008 16:38:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 15 17:38:32 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JaZOy-0004fS-A9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:38:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JaZOO-000509-V5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:37:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JaZNz-0004cA-6H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:37:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JaZNw-0004Ys-FZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:37:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JaZNw-0004Yg-4t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:37:28 -0400 Original-Received: from relay01.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.200]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JaZNs-0003VB-0E; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:37:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay01.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JaZNn-000Hyg-GO; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:37:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:27:10 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 669e5d776fa0e81a52da9f410dfff76f X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2421 [Mar 14 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 11 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92683 Archived-At: >> I think no face should be distracting. In very rare cases, a strong >> color should indicate an error, so the user has to fix it immediately, >> thus removing this error together with the face indication from the view. > > Is warning also okay to glare, or just the errors? > font-lock-warning-face has been glaring for ages. A warning/error is okay to glare in places that should draw the user's attention. But for file attributes it is an annoyance confirmed by your own opinion: From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: Re: 23.0.50; Middle w in of permissions in dired-mode is red and bold: dired-warning Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:37:07 +0200 IMO, this whole feature of highlighting attributes is an annoyance, and the only reason I could live with it until now is because it previously had a not-so-in-my-face color. Now someone made it glaring red, which is too much for me. You can expect the same angry reaction from other Emacs users after releasing Emacs 22.2 without fixing this annoyance. >> > If you really really dislike (hate?) the warning face, one thing we >> > could try is to make it red and non-bold on terminals that support >> > colors. If that's an acceptable compromise, then we can safely go >> > ahead and make that change. >> >> Actually a good face to use is font-lock-comment-delimiter-face >> because it is not glaring as font-lock-warning-face. > > As I wrote elsewhere in this thread, such a change will effectively > reintroduce the problem on text terminals that Martin Rudalics was > trying to fix when he made dired-warn inherit from > font-lock-warning-face. No, it fixes the original reported problem since font-lock-comment-delimiter-face defines colors for text terminals. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/