From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; M-( and M-) should not be bound in ESC map Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:41:23 +0200 Message-ID: <87y77kiy18.fsf@gmail.com> References: <003801c89a85$fcd95ad0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <20080410154940.GB7700@muc.de> <20080410162459.GC7700@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207903354 30329 80.91.229.12 (11 Apr 2008 08:42:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 11 10:43:05 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JkEpv-000205-Mk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:42:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JkEpI-0003Oq-0k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:41:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JkEpD-0003Oi-OC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:41:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JkEpB-0003OC-Ps for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:41:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JkEpB-0003O9-LR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:41:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JkEpB-0003iz-CO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:41:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JkEpB-0001dh-4E for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:41:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JkEp7-0003hs-0Z for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:41:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JkEp6-0003hH-Gl for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:41:28 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so696284fga.30 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:41:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:to:cc:subject:references:from:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=84CZ68Cbz3Rd5K12AXWHB13GPrzVgLflt9qFZgm1ugQ=; b=saFr/+NRKXNyw/OuzPK0eRJ7fezaWM1O7n0xMo3oLOQk+EMO+FkDzcMWY/L6CVITKc0OmfD2xrJjH4tgXzgLECYNMuURNGioQpGBqNvmKgKrUkcS1Vj34haqoxHMm3A6gs3Uns8tLk/xfLI1qNfEKlEQRwt/sTGpGkZZlzOjv0g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=to:cc:subject:references:from:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=froC6ykzrVN+1Fa6njjePmPe1leL9rIt5S0Mt0sQt9sSYlwZ2hApu2NpbbB3T8Vw/aQaSyjClEjAqECDKdA62+SFWFoGa6LZ4BhG886FpUWhZylFu3T2gruI4Qn//693GVjmsW+dscfDuofPYUXx6ZZ30ZzQ6rz/McGJxXHK6KA= Original-Received: by 10.86.66.19 with SMTP id o19mr5195658fga.10.1207903286235; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ubuT42 ( [82.242.132.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm2280617fga.9.2008.04.11.01.41.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:41:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu\, 10 Apr 2008 22\:23\:23 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Error: This connection is not (no longer?) in the cache. X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94951 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:21973 Archived-At: Glenn Morris writes: > "Juanma Barranquero" wrote: > >> I was not talking specifically about recent discussions. It was the >> feeling gathered after five years of emacs-devel. All user-visible >> changes cause long threads, heated comments and few decisions. > > (I find a killfile improves the signal-to-noise ratio.) > > I don't like the "poisonous people" tag, but the following has some > valid points: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/conferences/blog/2006/07/oscon_how_open_source_projects.html > > The premise for their talk was: Attention and focus are your > scarce resources and you need to protect them. Poisonous people > tend to distract communities and scatter the attention and focus > of the people who should continue developing new features or > fixing bugs. Communities must avoid deadlock by not letting people > derail forward progress. For instance, people in the community can > ask endless questions or focus on perfection (in a design or > feature set) and bogart the attention of developers. Wow. This is sad to read such words in a "libre", community project newsgroup. Really sad. But you might never read this, your killfile protecting you from other people POV.