* IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
@ 2009-05-07 9:04 Tassilo Horn
2009-05-07 11:38 ` Kim F. Storm
0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2009-05-07 9:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Hi all,
I like the new find-file behavior with the default setting of
`confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer', because I'm a bad but fast
typist. ;-)
I use ido-mode, but that doesn't respect this variable and opens a new
file/buffer without any confirmation, even if the last command was a
completion command. It would be great if the ido commands would behave
like the standard find-file and switch-to-buffer commands.
Bye,
Tassilo
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* Re: IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
2009-05-07 9:04 IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer Tassilo Horn
@ 2009-05-07 11:38 ` Kim F. Storm
2009-05-07 12:42 ` Leo
2009-05-07 19:44 ` Tassilo Horn
0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Kim F. Storm @ 2009-05-07 11:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
> Hi all,
>
> I like the new find-file behavior with the default setting of
> `confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer', because I'm a bad but fast
> typist. ;-)
>
> I use ido-mode, but that doesn't respect this variable and opens a new
> file/buffer without any confirmation, even if the last command was a
> completion command. It would be great if the ido commands would behave
> like the standard find-file and switch-to-buffer commands.
>
> Bye,
> Tassilo
>
Does this patch give the desired result?
*** ido.el.~1.155.~ 2009-01-05 16:30:50.000000000 +0100
--- ido.el 2009-05-07 13:36:09.000000000 +0200
***************
*** 1803,1812 ****
DEFAULT if given is the default item to start with.
If REQUIRE-MATCH is non-nil, an existing file must be selected.
If INITIAL is non-nil, it specifies the initial input string."
- ;; Ido does not implement the `confirm' and
- ;; `confirm-after-completion' values of REQUIRE-MATCH.
- (if (memq require-match '(confirm confirm-after-completion))
- (setq require-match nil))
(let
((ido-cur-item item)
(ido-entry-buffer (current-buffer))
--- 1803,1808 ----
***************
*** 2069,2075 ****
((and require-match
(not (if ido-directory-too-big
(file-exists-p (concat ido-current-directory ido-final-text))
! (ido-existing-item-p))))
(error "Must specify valid item"))
(t
--- 2065,2075 ----
((and require-match
(not (if ido-directory-too-big
(file-exists-p (concat ido-current-directory ido-final-text))
! (ido-existing-item-p)))
! (cond
! ((memq require-match '(confirm confirm-after-completion))
! (not (y-or-n-p (format "Create '%s'? " ido-final-text))))
! (t t)))
(error "Must specify valid item"))
(t
***************
*** 2158,2164 ****
(ido-current-directory nil)
(ido-directory-nonreadable nil)
(ido-directory-too-big nil)
! (buf (ido-read-internal 'buffer (or prompt "Buffer: ") 'ido-buffer-history default nil initial)))
;; Choose the buffer name: either the text typed in, or the head
;; of the list of matches
--- 2158,2166 ----
(ido-current-directory nil)
(ido-directory-nonreadable nil)
(ido-directory-too-big nil)
! (require-match (confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer))
! (buf (ido-read-internal 'buffer (or prompt "Buffer: ") 'ido-buffer-history default
! require-match initial)))
;; Choose the buffer name: either the text typed in, or the head
;; of the list of matches
***************
*** 2195,2204 ****
(ido-visit-buffer buf method t)))
;; buffer doesn't exist
! ((eq ido-create-new-buffer 'never)
(message "No buffer matching `%s'" buf))
((and (eq ido-create-new-buffer 'prompt)
(not (y-or-n-p (format "No buffer matching `%s', create one? " buf))))
nil)
--- 2197,2208 ----
(ido-visit-buffer buf method t)))
;; buffer doesn't exist
! ((and (eq ido-create-new-buffer 'never)
! (null require-match))
(message "No buffer matching `%s'" buf))
((and (eq ido-create-new-buffer 'prompt)
+ (null require-match)
(not (y-or-n-p (format "No buffer matching `%s', create one? " buf))))
nil)
***************
*** 2307,2313 ****
(or prompt "Find file: ")
'ido-file-history
(and (eq method 'alt-file) buffer-file-name)
! nil initial))))
;; Choose the file name: either the text typed in, or the head
;; of the list of matches
--- 2311,2317 ----
(or prompt "Find file: ")
'ido-file-history
(and (eq method 'alt-file) buffer-file-name)
! (confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer) initial))))
;; Choose the file name: either the text typed in, or the head
;; of the list of matches
***************
*** 2681,2686 ****
--- 2685,2691 ----
"Exit minibuffer, but make sure we have a match if one is needed."
(interactive)
(if (and (or (not ido-require-match)
+ (memq ido-require-match '(confirm confirm-after-completion))
(ido-existing-item-p))
(not ido-incomplete-regexp))
(exit-minibuffer)))
--
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk
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* Re: IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
2009-05-07 11:38 ` Kim F. Storm
@ 2009-05-07 12:42 ` Leo
2009-05-10 21:28 ` Kim F. Storm
2009-05-07 19:44 ` Tassilo Horn
1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Leo @ 2009-05-07 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
On 2009-05-07 12:38 +0100, Kim F. Storm wrote:
> Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I like the new find-file behavior with the default setting of
>> `confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer', because I'm a bad but fast
>> typist. ;-)
>>
>> I use ido-mode, but that doesn't respect this variable and opens a new
>> file/buffer without any confirmation, even if the last command was a
>> completion command. It would be great if the ido commands would behave
>> like the standard find-file and switch-to-buffer commands.
>>
>> Bye,
>> Tassilo
>>
>
> Does this patch give the desired result?
I reported a bug related to this.
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/107007/focus=107013
Could you see if the fix there is still needed?
Thanks.
--
.: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: I use Emacs :.
www.git-scm.com
git - the one true version control system
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* Re: IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
2009-05-07 11:38 ` Kim F. Storm
2009-05-07 12:42 ` Leo
@ 2009-05-07 19:44 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-05-08 10:25 ` Kim F. Storm
1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2009-05-07 19:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:
Hi Kim,
>> I use ido-mode, but that doesn't respect this variable and opens a
>> new file/buffer without any confirmation, even if the last command
>> was a completion command. It would be great if the ido commands
>> would behave like the standard find-file and switch-to-buffer
>> commands.
>
> Does this patch give the desired result?
Basically yes, but I like the standard visual feedback and usage much
better, e.g. no y-or-n-p but a [confirm] after the minibuffer input and
another RET finds the nonexistent file or buffer. This is not
disturbing at all, while the y-or-n-p is: No matter my decision, I
always have to move fingers to either y or n.
Bye,
Tassilo
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
2009-05-07 19:44 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2009-05-08 10:25 ` Kim F. Storm
2009-05-08 10:57 ` Tassilo Horn
0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Kim F. Storm @ 2009-05-08 10:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
>> Does this patch give the desired result?
>
> Basically yes, but I like the standard visual feedback and usage much
> better, e.g. no y-or-n-p but a [confirm] after the minibuffer input and
> another RET finds the nonexistent file or buffer. This is not
> disturbing at all, while the y-or-n-p is: No matter my decision, I
> always have to move fingers to either y or n.
I see - and agree. Try the following patch instead:
*** ido.el.~1.155.~ 2009-01-05 16:30:50.000000000 +0100
--- ido.el 2009-05-08 12:22:33.000000000 +0200
***************
*** 768,774 ****
:type '(choice string (const nil))
:group 'ido)
! (defcustom ido-decorations '( "{" "}" " | " " | ..." "[" "]" " [No match]" " [Matched]" " [Not readable]" " [Too big]")
"List of strings used by ido to display the alternatives in the minibuffer.
There are 10 elements in this list:
1st and 2nd elements are used as brackets around the prospect list,
--- 768,774 ----
:type '(choice string (const nil))
:group 'ido)
! (defcustom ido-decorations '( "{" "}" " | " " | ..." "[" "]" " [No match]" " [Matched]" " [Not readable]" " [Too big]" " [Confirm]")
"List of strings used by ido to display the alternatives in the minibuffer.
There are 10 elements in this list:
1st and 2nd elements are used as brackets around the prospect list,
***************
*** 779,785 ****
7th element is the string displayed when there are no matches, and
8th element is displayed if there is a single match (and faces are not used),
9th element is displayed when the current directory is non-readable,
! 10th element is displayed when directory exceeds `ido-max-directory-size'."
:type '(repeat string)
:group 'ido)
--- 779,786 ----
7th element is the string displayed when there are no matches, and
8th element is displayed if there is a single match (and faces are not used),
9th element is displayed when the current directory is non-readable,
! 10th element is displayed when directory exceeds `ido-max-directory-size',
! 11th element is displayed to confirm creating new file or buffer."
:type '(repeat string)
:group 'ido)
***************
*** 1082,1087 ****
--- 1083,1091 ----
;; Non-nil if matching file must be selected.
(defvar ido-require-match)
+ ;; Non-nil if we should add [confirm] to prompt
+ (defvar ido-show-confirm-message)
+
;; Stores a temporary version of the file list being created.
(defvar ido-temp-list)
***************
*** 1803,1812 ****
DEFAULT if given is the default item to start with.
If REQUIRE-MATCH is non-nil, an existing file must be selected.
If INITIAL is non-nil, it specifies the initial input string."
- ;; Ido does not implement the `confirm' and
- ;; `confirm-after-completion' values of REQUIRE-MATCH.
- (if (memq require-match '(confirm confirm-after-completion))
- (setq require-match nil))
(let
((ido-cur-item item)
(ido-entry-buffer (current-buffer))
--- 1807,1812 ----
***************
*** 1829,1834 ****
--- 1829,1835 ----
(ido-case-fold ido-case-fold)
(ido-enable-prefix ido-enable-prefix)
(ido-enable-regexp ido-enable-regexp)
+ (ido-show-confirm-message nil)
)
(ido-setup-completion-map)
***************
*** 2067,2072 ****
--- 2068,2074 ----
;; Handling the require-match must be done in a better way.
((and require-match
+ (not (memq require-match '(confirm confirm-after-completion)))
(not (if ido-directory-too-big
(file-exists-p (concat ido-current-directory ido-final-text))
(ido-existing-item-p))))
***************
*** 2158,2164 ****
(ido-current-directory nil)
(ido-directory-nonreadable nil)
(ido-directory-too-big nil)
! (buf (ido-read-internal 'buffer (or prompt "Buffer: ") 'ido-buffer-history default nil initial)))
;; Choose the buffer name: either the text typed in, or the head
;; of the list of matches
--- 2160,2168 ----
(ido-current-directory nil)
(ido-directory-nonreadable nil)
(ido-directory-too-big nil)
! (require-match (confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer))
! (buf (ido-read-internal 'buffer (or prompt "Buffer: ") 'ido-buffer-history default
! require-match initial)))
;; Choose the buffer name: either the text typed in, or the head
;; of the list of matches
***************
*** 2195,2204 ****
(ido-visit-buffer buf method t)))
;; buffer doesn't exist
! ((eq ido-create-new-buffer 'never)
(message "No buffer matching `%s'" buf))
((and (eq ido-create-new-buffer 'prompt)
(not (y-or-n-p (format "No buffer matching `%s', create one? " buf))))
nil)
--- 2199,2210 ----
(ido-visit-buffer buf method t)))
;; buffer doesn't exist
! ((and (eq ido-create-new-buffer 'never)
! (null require-match))
(message "No buffer matching `%s'" buf))
((and (eq ido-create-new-buffer 'prompt)
+ (null require-match)
(not (y-or-n-p (format "No buffer matching `%s', create one? " buf))))
nil)
***************
*** 2307,2313 ****
(or prompt "Find file: ")
'ido-file-history
(and (eq method 'alt-file) buffer-file-name)
! nil initial))))
;; Choose the file name: either the text typed in, or the head
;; of the list of matches
--- 2313,2319 ----
(or prompt "Find file: ")
'ido-file-history
(and (eq method 'alt-file) buffer-file-name)
! (confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer) initial))))
;; Choose the file name: either the text typed in, or the head
;; of the list of matches
***************
*** 2681,2686 ****
--- 2687,2698 ----
"Exit minibuffer, but make sure we have a match if one is needed."
(interactive)
(if (and (or (not ido-require-match)
+ (if (memq ido-require-match '(confirm confirm-after-completion))
+ (if (or (eq ido-cur-item 'dir)
+ (eq last-command this-command))
+ t
+ (setq ido-show-confirm-message t)
+ nil))
(ido-existing-item-p))
(not ido-incomplete-regexp))
(exit-minibuffer)))
***************
*** 4398,4403 ****
--- 4410,4416 ----
minibuffer-completion-table
minibuffer-completion-predicate
(not minibuffer-completion-confirm))))
+ (setq ido-show-confirm-message nil)
(ido-trace "inf" inf)
(insert inf))
))))
***************
*** 4430,4435 ****
--- 4443,4450 ----
(cond ((null comps)
(cond
+ (ido-show-confirm-message
+ (or (nth 11 ido-decorations) " [Confirm]"))
(ido-directory-nonreadable
(or (nth 8 ido-decorations) " [Not readable]"))
(ido-directory-too-big
--
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk
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* Re: IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
2009-05-08 10:25 ` Kim F. Storm
@ 2009-05-08 10:57 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-05-08 22:53 ` Kim F. Storm
0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2009-05-08 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:
Hi Kim,
>> Basically yes, but I like the standard visual feedback and usage much
>> better, e.g. no y-or-n-p but a [confirm] after the minibuffer input
>> and another RET finds the nonexistent file or buffer. This is not
>> disturbing at all, while the y-or-n-p is: No matter my decision, I
>> always have to move fingers to either y or n.
>
> I see - and agree. Try the following patch instead:
Yes, this is much better. But there's one difference with the standard
behavior. Ido always wants a confirmation if the file or buffer doesn't
exist. The default setting of confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer is
after-completion, and then you are asked only to confirm if the last
command was a completion command. The current ido behavior equivalent
to setting this variable to t (which I do anyway). But probably ido
should be as compatible with the standard behavior as far as possible.
Bye,
Tassilo
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* Re: IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
2009-05-08 10:57 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2009-05-08 22:53 ` Kim F. Storm
2009-05-08 23:16 ` Tassilo Horn
0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Kim F. Storm @ 2009-05-08 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
> storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:
>
> Hi Kim,
>
>>> Basically yes, but I like the standard visual feedback and usage much
>>> better, e.g. no y-or-n-p but a [confirm] after the minibuffer input
>>> and another RET finds the nonexistent file or buffer. This is not
>>> disturbing at all, while the y-or-n-p is: No matter my decision, I
>>> always have to move fingers to either y or n.
>>
>> I see - and agree. Try the following patch instead:
>
> Yes, this is much better. But there's one difference with the standard
> behavior. Ido always wants a confirmation if the file or buffer doesn't
> exist. The default setting of confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer is
> after-completion, and then you are asked only to confirm if the last
> command was a completion command. The current ido behavior equivalent
> to setting this variable to t (which I do anyway). But probably ido
> should be as compatible with the standard behavior as far as possible.
In a way ido is always trying to complete what you type, so in what
ido command/key should after-completion apply to ? E.g. TAB is rarely
used in ido (at least I don't use it much).
--
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk
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* Re: IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
2009-05-08 22:53 ` Kim F. Storm
@ 2009-05-08 23:16 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-05-09 16:57 ` Kim F. Storm
0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2009-05-08 23:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:
Hi Kim,
> In a way ido is always trying to complete what you type, so in what
> ido command/key should after-completion apply to ? E.g. TAB is rarely
> used in ido (at least I don't use it much).
I agree. After using the patch for one day I'd say it's fine as it is.
Thanks a lot,
Tassilo
--
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* Re: IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
2009-05-08 23:16 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2009-05-09 16:57 ` Kim F. Storm
2009-05-09 22:28 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Kim F. Storm @ 2009-05-09 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
> storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:
>
> Hi Kim,
>
>> In a way ido is always trying to complete what you type, so in what
>> ido command/key should after-completion apply to ? E.g. TAB is rarely
>> used in ido (at least I don't use it much).
>
> I agree. After using the patch for one day I'd say it's fine as it is.
>
> Thanks a lot,
Thanks for testing.
Is it ok to install this patch now ?
--
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk
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* Re: IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
2009-05-09 16:57 ` Kim F. Storm
@ 2009-05-09 22:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-10 21:29 ` Kim F. Storm
0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2009-05-09 22:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kim F. Storm; +Cc: emacs-devel
> Is it ok to install this patch now ?
Yes, please, thank you,
Stefan
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* Re: IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
2009-05-07 12:42 ` Leo
@ 2009-05-10 21:28 ` Kim F. Storm
2009-05-11 1:07 ` Leo
2009-05-12 21:22 ` Leo
0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Kim F. Storm @ 2009-05-10 21:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Leo; +Cc: emacs-devel
Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes:
> On 2009-05-07 12:38 +0100, Kim F. Storm wrote:
>> Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I like the new find-file behavior with the default setting of
>>> `confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer', because I'm a bad but fast
>>> typist. ;-)
>>>
>>> I use ido-mode, but that doesn't respect this variable and opens a new
>>> file/buffer without any confirmation, even if the last command was a
>>> completion command. It would be great if the ido commands would behave
>>> like the standard find-file and switch-to-buffer commands.
>>>
>>> Bye,
>>> Tassilo
>>>
>>
>> Does this patch give the desired result?
>
> I reported a bug related to this.
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/107007/focus=107013
>
> Could you see if the fix there is still needed?
Thank you for the pointer - this is fixed with my new patch.
--
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk
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* Re: IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
2009-05-09 22:28 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2009-05-10 21:29 ` Kim F. Storm
0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Kim F. Storm @ 2009-05-10 21:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: emacs-devel
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>> Is it ok to install this patch now ?
>
> Yes, please, thank you,
Done (with one additional fix).
--
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk
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* Re: IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
2009-05-10 21:28 ` Kim F. Storm
@ 2009-05-11 1:07 ` Leo
2009-05-12 21:22 ` Leo
1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Leo @ 2009-05-11 1:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
On 2009-05-10 22:28 +0100, Kim F. Storm wrote:
>> I reported a bug related to this.
>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/107007/focus=107013
>>
>> Could you see if the fix there is still needed?
>
> Thank you for the pointer - this is fixed with my new patch.
Thanks.
--
.: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: I use Emacs :.
www.git-scm.com
git - the one true version control system
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* Re: IDO doesn't honor confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer
2009-05-10 21:28 ` Kim F. Storm
2009-05-11 1:07 ` Leo
@ 2009-05-12 21:22 ` Leo
1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Leo @ 2009-05-12 21:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kim F. Storm; +Cc: emacs-devel
Hi Kim,
Can you also take a look at bug #1410?
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs/22581
Do you think that's a bug too?
Kind regards,
Leo
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