From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Teemu Likonen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: message-mode is now default? Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:14:44 +0300 Message-ID: <87y6qnpfaj.fsf@iki.fi> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247840213 13946 80.91.229.12 (17 Jul 2009 14:16:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: ams@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 17 16:16:46 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MRoEb-00076y-Ur for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:16:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38840 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MRoEa-00027H-Oz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:16:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MRoDF-0000j7-G8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:15:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MRoDA-0000gl-KF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:15:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56940 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MRoDA-0000gX-Bg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:14:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mta-out.inet.fi ([195.156.147.13]:45749 helo=kirsi1.inet.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MRoD7-0002Za-Q8; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:14:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mithlond.arda.local (80.220.180.181) by kirsi1.inet.fi (8.5.014) id 49F6055A02D5BDE4; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:14:45 +0300 Original-Received: from dtw by mithlond.arda.local with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MRoCy-0004KC-F1; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:14:44 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Alfred M. Szmidt's message of "Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:01:20 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112616 Archived-At: On 2009-07-17 09:01 (-0400), Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > Things that have now become broken because of this unannounced change, > and not fully thought through chance: > > - any and all hooks and variable that one uses for mail are not > working anymore, since message-mode is not compatible with > mail-mode. Causing massive breakage for anyone using mail-mode. > > - message-mode does not use sendmail-function, causing once again > breakage for anyone who wraps their mail around it. > > message-mode is NOT backwards compatible with mail-mode, please change > it back to what it was. This is a huge change, and should be postponed > for after the release, wit a proper discussion and poll. That change is not in the branch that will become Emacs 23.1. So at least to me it seems that it is "postponed" after the release of 23.1. The "proper discussion" probably means this list's usual conservatism but in any case, for such discussion and a poll, here's my vote: I support making message-mode the default. (And I think Chong and Stefan are doing a great job.)