From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Giuseppe Scrivano Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs for new users Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:59:42 +0100 Message-ID: <87y6lxdvnl.fsf@mandingo.thematica.it> References: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258995626 26295 80.91.229.12 (23 Nov 2009 17:00:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Per =?utf-8?Q?Starb=C3=A4ck?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 23 18:00:19 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NCcGw-00015I-1X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:00:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59973 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCcGv-0002DO-Ka for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:00:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCcGf-00025x-8x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:00:01 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCcGa-00023s-HQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:00:00 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60067 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCcGa-00023p-BU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:59:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com ([209.85.218.223]:49975) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NCcGZ-0002jn-Nx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:59:56 -0500 Original-Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so5190289bwz.9 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:59:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:from:to:cc:subject :references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GT8Q3HMMpFjpF6+EawMqTet3hWJV+wO02egr3v9xooA=; b=M5PeMPccxpltL0X+rK7aysUIa5iJx/p+qkDfyWlrE6Iqi6GWBX2nq/emupeklvkxBV JGcpYvlceRsex0MZ0C+N8VMkWPxE3iPhlUqZS/WMy3LlCfLxzwwIuCu7O15C7hH6qd4S sPnDkyBcDONrfRJfGx56nUA3PATFrHg4LipJY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PTkUqyafonx5BHdlDOwu2Yu7P4NB1BJzABBDE17F/i0hxbETkJur62JKRYYnqH89uw I51lATL955yjXP2b1Vsto3Z7EvsuY98qmSzSbntaCF2ANgKPHct1g2tYAEbPNoY1GS08 wfbvoUH6dMnvJP9kYq6T2qE0kaCFM5jUzsA58= Original-Received: by 10.204.23.77 with SMTP id q13mr4998949bkb.136.1258995594257; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:59:54 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from mandingo.thematica.it (host41-158-static.104-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it [82.104.158.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm5955838fks.22.2009.11.23.08.59.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:59:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> ("Per =?utf-8?Q?Starb=C3=A4ck=22's?= message of "Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:37:14 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117599 Archived-At: Per Starb=C3=A4ck writes: > I wrote: >> But I prefer if they don't have to, since they have lots of other stuff = to learn as >> well. Every good step is a good step, even the small ones. > > I should add that I love all the care that has been taken in making > Emacs 23 even more accessible for new users > than Emacs 22 was. I'm teaching an intro course where we use Emacs > among other things, and I think if was a big > change to do this with Emacs 23 this year. Kudos to all involved! > > Maybe I should ask my students about what they have found particularly > confusing. Some things I've noticed > off the top of my head: > > * beeping is often disturbing and unexpected, in particular for > scrolling past the beginning or end of the > buffer with the scroll wheel. (I agree. That's hardly an error.) yes, I agree with you, beeping is often disturbing. You can disable it, changing the value of visible-bell to t: (setq visible-bell t) Cheers, Giuseppe