From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:15:00 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87y6ja5rtn.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <4B633B7C.8030700@gmx.de> <873a1nvlki.fsf@gmail.com> <4B65B180.5010202@gmx.de> <87ock8pb21.fsf@xemacs.org> <87wryv8gct.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265206566 30368 80.91.229.12 (3 Feb 2010 14:16:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 14:16:06 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 03 15:16:02 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ncg1S-0006ub-EA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:16:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52862 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ncg1R-0004qz-NF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:16:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ncg0u-0004fL-5E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:15:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39256 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ncg0t-0004f2-Pa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:15:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ncg0s-0006zV-Gc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:15:27 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:57464) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ncg0s-0006zJ-64 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:15:26 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ncg0n-0006Pr-5w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:15:21 +0100 Original-Received: from p5b2c2965.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.44.41.101]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:15:21 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by p5b2c2965.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:15:21 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5b2c2965.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.90 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:OOqrzwOfbQexXyDJob7jxLt1wnY= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120854 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > By contrast, if we call our software an "ecosystem", then we take > > an amoral stance. That's what we shouldn't do. > > The whole point is that most people can't be bothered. You can call > that good or bad, but their use and distribution of free software is not > governed by a moral stance. > > That is how things are. The point is, we are trying to change how > things are, not just observe. We won't change the way how things are by calling them what we'd want them to be instead. > Our mission is to lead them, not imitate them. You can't lead anybody by telling him that he already is where you want him to be. In particular if he isn't. -- David Kastrup