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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Rene@Kyllingstad.com
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:52:10 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y5ouqexh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEP=tem7YQO_5aZW6j31+wZeHjmJg6uANPMJPRHAo2Gi9L+7jg@mail.gmail.com>

René Kyllingstad writes:

 > IMHO there is a crucial difference between "perfectly fine" and "to some
 > extent readable". It seems the MIME authors disagree.

I rather doubt that they disagree with you. The MIME authors simply
thought about it carefully and came to the conclusion that (1)
subtypes of text are necessary for enhanced display, which is *very*
desirable, while (2) implementation costs imply that not all MUAs will
implement all subtypes, and (3) the dividing line between "perfectly
fine" (and therefore not urgent to implement) subtypes and "to some
extent readable" (and therefore of relatively high implementation
priority) can and must be delegated to implementers, both of the types
themselves (who are the ones who register the MIME content type, see
below) and of the MUAs that interpret them.

 > >  > Wouldn't it be better with "Content-type: text/plain/elisp" or some
 > > such?
 > >
 > > The "plain" is redundant, because all subtypes of text fall back to
 > > text/plain anyway.
 > 
 > Redundant seems a bit harsh to me.
 > 
 > I would prefer Gmail to treat text/rtf different from text/elisp: text/rtf
 > should by default either be displayed with the markup interpreted or as a
 > download, whereas text/elisp should be displayed as text/plain.

Sure, but that's up to Gmail; if Gmail doesn't do it your way, you can
(a) live with it, (b) get Gmail to change it, (c) change to a
different MUA that does it your way, or (d) write your own MUA that
gets it right.  The needed information is there; adding yet another
level of subtype doesn't improve the situation.  Note that you just
can't win: if the designers of RTF agreed with you, they would have
registered the content type as application/rtf rather than text/rtf.
I gather that they disagree with you, and so if there *were* a
text/plain/emacs-lisp, you'd also see text/plain/rtf, and there's no
improvement.

That is, you *can* get what you want under the standard as written, at
some cost.  And the way the standard is written, in any standard-
conforming MUA, we both get something we can work with, even though we
don't agree on optimal behavior (I want to see text/rtf, you don't).



  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-15  3:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-05  6:30 lexical-binding questions Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05  6:45 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05  8:16   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC (was: lexical-binding questions) Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-05  8:39     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tom Rauchenwald
2012-05-05  8:54       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-05 13:38         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-05 17:02           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-06 16:03             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-06 16:46               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-06 17:03                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-05 14:35         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 15:10           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Antoine Levitt
2012-05-05 15:57             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 17:00               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Peter Münster
2012-05-05 17:35                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 21:38                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC John Wiegley
2012-05-07  2:25                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-07  6:23                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-07  9:37                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-05-06 14:17               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-05 15:48           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-05 16:43             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-05 17:12               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-07  8:57                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Julien Danjou
2012-05-07  9:46                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-05 17:36               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 19:48           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Martyn Jago
2012-05-05 20:00             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-07  5:44             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-07 14:23               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Wolfgang Jenkner
2012-05-08  4:08                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-08  7:37                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-08 11:41                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Juanma Barranquero
2012-05-08 12:17                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-08 14:32                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Andreas Röhler
2012-05-09  1:23                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-09 17:31                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-09  0:47                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09  3:50                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-09 11:35                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09 12:23                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-09 13:43                                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-09 14:57                                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 17:08                                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-09 16:06                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 18:20                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-09 16:30                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 18:44                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10  7:44                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  7:28                                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  7:59                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10 12:35                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 13:28                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10 13:51                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-15  3:30                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 15:21                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Davis Herring
2012-05-15  3:56                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  9:02                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC René Kyllingstad
2012-05-10 13:05                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 13:55                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC René Kyllingstad
2012-05-15  3:52                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2012-05-16 14:00                                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09 13:52                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09 17:44                                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09 17:33                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-09  4:45                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-09  6:28                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09  9:30                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Peter Münster
2012-06-08  0:20                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-09 17:36                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-10  0:56                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-16 14:51                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-16 13:05                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-16 15:17                                 ` plain-text markdown handler for Gnus (was: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC) Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-16 14:21                                   ` plain-text markdown handler for Gnus Eric Schulte
2012-05-16 16:29                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 14:15           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 14:18             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-06 14:33               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Alan Mackenzie
2012-05-06 14:43                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-06 18:57               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 23:20                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07  2:21                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-07  9:56                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07 11:04                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-05 13:29   ` lexical-binding questions Stefan Monnier
2012-05-05 17:59     ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-06  0:08     ` Miles Bader
2012-05-06  2:43       ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-06  6:00     ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05 13:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-05 15:57   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-07 15:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-07 15:39       ` Drew Adams
2012-05-15  6:40       ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-15 13:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-14  3:57 ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-14  4:55   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-14 17:09     ` Johan Bockgård
2012-05-15 17:54       ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-15 20:14         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-15 22:59           ` Johan Bockgård
2012-05-16  2:05             ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-05-08 22:24 BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Martyn Jago
2012-05-09 17:33 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier

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