From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rename `eww' to `web' Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2013 02:24:25 +0200 Message-ID: <87y59jushy.fsf@informatimago.com> References: <8738s087wj.fsf@gmail.com> <87bo6mjv4s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871u7gavwx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87obaj39sc.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4btxkb7gw7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k3l72z81.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87obaixhkr.fsf@informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373156694 20580 80.91.229.3 (7 Jul 2013 00:24:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 00:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 07 02:24:55 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Uvcmd-0004o6-5V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Jul 2013 02:24:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48932 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uvcmc-0007q5-OB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 20:24:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53866) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uvcma-0007q0-0F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 20:24:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UvcmY-0001eT-Mu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 20:24:51 -0400 Original-Received: from voyager.informatimago.com ([88.198.62.69]:37675) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UvcmY-0001bM-CC; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 20:24:50 -0400 Original-Received: from kuiper.lan.informatimago.com (AMontsouris-651-1-8-101.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.46.43.101]) by voyager.informatimago.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B8443C12F; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 02:24:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by kuiper.lan.informatimago.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4755B2006C6; Sun, 7 Jul 2013 02:24:25 +0200 (CEST) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 05 Jul 2013 13:19:50 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 88.198.62.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161691 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider > [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, > [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. > > It's not the same kind of interaction. ielm simulates an "interactive" > REPL, like other lisps or shells. > > That doesn't enlighten me -- I would say *scratch*, using C-j to end > an expression, is "interactive". > > Evaluation with C-j does not display the character equivalent > of a number. > > The only two differences I see in ielm are (1) use of RET instead of > C-j, and (2) a prompt. Yes, and the order in which the different parts are inserted, when using C-p C-e or M-p: M-x ielm RET (defvar *i*) RET (setq *i* 0) RET (list (+ 1 2) (setq *i* (+ 1 *i*))) RET M-p RET results in: ELISP> (defvar *i*) *i* ELISP> (setq *i* 0) 0 ELISP> (list (+ 1 2) (setq *i* (+ 1 *i*))) (3 1) ELISP> (list (+ 1 2) (setq *i* (+ 1 *i*))) (3 2) ELISP> vs. C-x b *scratch* RET (defvar *i*) C-j (setq *i* 0) C-j (list (+ 1 2) (setq *i* (+ 1 *i*))) C-j C-p C-e C-j results in: (defvar *i*) *i* (setq *i* 0) 0 (list (+ 1 2) (setq *i* (+ 1 *i*))) (3 2) (3 1) -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}. You know you've been lisping too long when you see a recent picture of George Lucas and think "Wait, I thought John McCarthy was dead!" -- Dalek_Baldwin