From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:34:34 +0200 Message-ID: <87y4stcdat.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <54193A70.9020901@member.fsf.org> <87wq8pwjen.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837g0ptnlj.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3yxwdr6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx3tmi3t.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834mvttgsf.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhp5m99w.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9ztm5oa.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87d2a54t1m.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <83lhotme1e.fsf@gnu.org> <87fvf1dxha.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d2a5maib.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3ylruyg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412629496 29941 80.91.229.3 (6 Oct 2014 21:04:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 21:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, mhw@netris.org, dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Eli Zaretskii To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 06 23:04:49 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XbFSb-0004C3-1M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 23:04:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54399 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbFSa-0001AT-85 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 17:04:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56643) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbFSV-00017U-E2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 17:04:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbFSU-0007Zm-GR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 17:04:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52062) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbFSU-0007Za-Dj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 17:04:42 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59215 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbFS6-0004eZ-CQ; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 17:04:19 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D6D9E0489; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 19:34:34 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87r3ylruyg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Tue, 07 Oct 2014 02:04:07 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175052 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > It should do so as an option, with the alternative being to ask for > confirmation (this would be automatically satisfied if input and > output rawbytes handlers were separate) if nonconforming output would > be produced. Emacs of *all* editors should not produce non-conforming > output silently (unless explicitly silenced), even if it got > non-conforming input. That sounds like you are talking about a processing pipe. An editor is not really the same. Even for something like sed I'd expect no changes in parts that are, well, not changed. Much more so for a proper editor. -- David Kastrup