From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:05:20 +0100 Message-ID: <87y4q1fekv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87h9wqimf0.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419159965 28667 80.91.229.3 (21 Dec 2014 11:06:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk, asr@ufl.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 21 12:05:57 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2eKj-0003be-Bc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:05:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37037 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2eKi-00017y-Jx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 06:05:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48977) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2eKU-00017r-Qx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 06:05:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2eKT-0003RF-OU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 06:05:42 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53929) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2eKT-0003RB-KX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 06:05:41 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32863 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2eKJ-00027J-2b; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 06:05:33 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 27594E060A; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:05:20 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 21 Dec 2014 05:56:45 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180424 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Stuff like > > > > is painful to scroll around even locally loaded. > > Could you expand on that point? It is hard for me to look at that > myself and study the issue to understand the problem -- could you say > a few lines to explain the issue? It's a very long page, with text and images interspersed all the time. The downloading and rendering for the images takes a while, changing the browser's idea of the sizes all the time (maybe Texinfo should declare the geometry of images in the HTML if it doesn't already). As a result of the large and potentially not yet completely rendered page (probably corresponding to hundreds of printed pages), scrolling (via scroll bar) is not responsive in a graphical browser. Stuff like incremental searches also tend to react rather sluggish. Moving around the same stuff in Emacs Info tends to be rather quick, even though Emacs has its own peculiarities moving across larger-than-window images. -- David Kastrup