From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:13:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87y45ccj5q.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87twg2g86g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83eg76n5h5.fsf@gnu.org> <87y45eeoor.fsf@lifelogs.com> <577D42BB.1020500@cs.ucla.edu> <87oa694rfw.fsf@russet.org.uk> <837fcxlbay.fsf@gnu.org> <87lh1d2wg5.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83eg75jk5h.fsf@gnu.org> <87lh1cb6p0.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467987454 7388 80.91.229.3 (8 Jul 2016 14:17:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 14:17:34 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 08 16:17:26 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bLWas-0007Vs-CB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:17:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45874 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLWar-0006lX-OL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:17:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48775) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLWXA-0000Mx-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:13:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLWX4-00085J-NB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:13:35 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:34451) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLWX4-00085E-Gb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:13:30 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bLWX3-00050G-LI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:13:29 +0200 Original-Received: from 141.red-217-125-182.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([217.125.182.141]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:13:29 +0200 Original-Received: from ofv by 141.red-217-125-182.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:13:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.red-217-125-182.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:c5Zzn8YuugYPDgSuSZbNe4fie9E= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205436 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > EZ> All the other projects I > EZ> participate in make it harder, and yet no one complains or thinks they > EZ> are hard on contributors. > > I think there is a confirmation bias there: people tend to believe the > feedback that confirms their existing views and discount the opposite. It is worse: those that think that the process makes things unnecessarily difficult probably will never contribute and hence you will never know about their existence, except for some passing comment on some other forum. That said, IMO writing (and learning to write) ChangeLogs on itself is not a big deterrent to contributing (for small contributions!) Its impact on the quality of commit messages is more concerning.